OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

(well, it's only Off Topic for uk.railway, very much On Topic for
uk.transport.london, but as I'm x-posting this...)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7342263.stm

A few choice quotes...

"British Airways has delayed moving most of its long-haul flights to
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 until June.
[...]
No date in June has yet been given for the move.

The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.
[...]
Sixty arrivals and 60 departures per day were due to be moved."

OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

In message
, at
04:32:10 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T remarked:
The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.

Which will have a knock-on effect on being able to close T2 for
redevelopment, which is due to finish for the drum roll Olympics.
--
Roland Perry

OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

On 11 Apr, 12:37, Roland Perry wrote:

In message
, at
04:32:10 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T remarked:

The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.

Which will have a knock-on effect on being able to close T2 for
redevelopment, which is due to finish for the drum roll Olympics.

Given the requirement for construction capacity in east London to
build the Olympic venues one wonders whether BAA's timetable for
Heathrow redevelopment is really that wise. That said, perhaps it all
makes more sense when one considers BAA's real game plan - getting a
third runway at Heathrow...

OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

In message
, at
05:05:15 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T remarked:
The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.

Which will have a knock-on effect on being able to close T2 for
redevelopment, which is due to finish for the drum roll Olympics.

Given the requirement for construction capacity in east London to
build the Olympic venues one wonders whether BAA's timetable for
Heathrow redevelopment is really that wise. That said, perhaps it all
makes more sense when one considers BAA's real game plan - getting a
third runway at Heathrow...

Upgrading the terminals for the current runways is actually running
against the need for a new runway. Capacity (in terms of passenger
numbers) is set to increase because of larger planes, not more runway
capacity.
--
Roland Perry

OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message
, at
05:05:15 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T remarked:
The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.

Which will have a knock-on effect on being able to close T2 for
redevelopment, which is due to finish for the drum roll Olympics.

Given the requirement for construction capacity in east London to
build the Olympic venues one wonders whether BAA's timetable for
Heathrow redevelopment is really that wise. That said, perhaps it all
makes more sense when one considers BAA's real game plan - getting a
third runway at Heathrow...

Upgrading the terminals for the current runways is actually running
against the need for a new runway. Capacity (in terms of passenger
numbers) is set to increase because of larger planes, not more runway
capacity.
--

saw a slide show on the new Peking airport. Designed and built in less time
than the public inquiry and the rest of the bureaucratic BS that preceded
the construction of T5.

BF


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OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

On 11 Apr, 13:54, "Bryan Flint" wrote:

"Roland Perry" wrote:

In message
, at
05:05:15 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, Mizter T remarked:
The delay in moving will have a knock-on effect on other airlines who
had been due to take over Terminal 4 once BA had left.

Which will have a knock-on effect on being able to close T2 for
redevelopment, which is due to finish for the drum roll Olympics.

Given the requirement for construction capacity in east London to
build the Olympic venues one wonders whether BAA's timetable for
Heathrow redevelopment is really that wise. That said, perhaps it all
makes more sense when one considers BAA's real game plan - getting a
third runway at Heathrow...

Upgrading the terminals for the current runways is actually running
against the need for a new runway. Capacity (in terms of passenger
numbers) is set to increase because of larger planes, not more runway
capacity.


saw a slide show on the new Peking airport. Designed and built in less time
than the public inquiry and the rest of the bureaucratic BS that preceded
the construction of T5.


But I'd rather have all that than the dictatorial rule one gets in
China.

OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

"British Airways has delayed moving most of its long-haul flights to
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 until June.

Sixty arrivals and 60 departures per day were due to be moved."


Oh dear there's currently a minimum connection time of 1 hour for BA
flights, having to transfer from terminal 4 to terminal 5 has blown
that. This is going to add several hours to many BA journeys.

What remains of all those loyal BA customers from places like
Manchester and Edinburgh that use Heathrow to connect into long haul
will have to switch to the foreign airlines now, just like those of us
from Birmingham did years ago.

From Birmingham thanks to SAS, KLM, Lufthansa and Air France you can
fly anywhere through their hubs not to mention the many long haul
direct flights now offered by the likes of Emirates and Continental.

The same is true for Manchester only more so - Cathy Pacific, for
example.

Methinks, British Airways just became London South East Airways - fly
the flag!

The thing is how can they justify having twice the management other
airlines seem to cope without after this cock up?

OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

On 11 Apr, 15:19, allan tracy wrote:
"British Airways has delayed moving most of its long-haul flights to
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 until June.

Sixty arrivals and 60 departures per day were due to be moved."

Oh dear there's currently a minimum connection time of 1 hour for BA
flights, having to transfer from terminal 4 to terminal 5 has blown
that. This is going to add several hours to many BA journeys.

Eh? Pre-T5, nearly all BA short-haul went out of T1 and nearly all
long-haul went out of T4.

Until June, nearly all short-haul will go out of T5 and nearly all
long-haul will go out of T4.

That's *exactly the same as it's been for the last 15 years*. It just
hasn't got better quite as soon as it was supposed to...

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

In message
, at
07:19:10 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, allan tracy
remarked:

"British Airways has delayed moving most of its long-haul flights to
Heathrow's new Terminal 5 until June.

Sixty arrivals and 60 departures per day were due to be moved."

Oh dear there's currently a minimum connection time of 1 hour for BA
flights, having to transfer from terminal 4 to terminal 5 has blown
that. This is going to add several hours to many BA journeys.

And this is, of course, why BA couldn't have moved flights piecemeal
across to T5, to ramp it up slowly, as some have suggested. It makes a
mockery of predicting transfer times.

What remains of all those loyal BA customers from places like
Manchester and Edinburgh that use Heathrow to connect into long haul
will have to switch to the foreign airlines now,

Only for a couple of months, and only if they have a connection that's
too tight. But it will affect some passengers I'm sure.

just like those of us from Birmingham did years ago.

BTDTGTTS

The thing is how can they justify having twice the management other
airlines seem to cope without after this cock up?

I saw a comment that this cockup might be "terminal" for the career
prospects of some of those managers. They can always get a job with
Network Rail at Rugby.
--
Roland Perry

OT - BA postpones long-haul move to T5
 

In message
, at
08:06:49 on Fri, 11 Apr 2008, John B remarked:
Oh dear there's currently a minimum connection time of 1 hour for BA
flights, having to transfer from terminal 4 to terminal 5 has blown
that. This is going to add several hours to many BA journeys.

Eh? Pre-T5, nearly all BA short-haul went out of T1 and nearly all
long-haul went out of T4.

Until June, nearly all short-haul will go out of T5 and nearly all
long-haul will go out of T4.

That's *exactly the same as it's been for the last 15 years*. It just
hasn't got better quite as soon as it was supposed to...

In the mean time, there will be passengers who have booked connecting
flights supposedly made newly-possible because both long and short haul
were at T5. They may have to re-book, or some very special transfer
arrangements made (I suppose they could bus them across the tarmac
having met them at the airbridge, but it's all a lot of faffing about).
--
Roland Perry