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Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLAelections
This is a non-partisan public service announcement.
Any residents of Greater London who, for whatever reason, are not yet registered to vote and wish to do so in the forthcoming elections for the Mayor of London and the Greater London Assembly on 1st May "must register by midnight 16th April 2008"... http://www.bbc.co.uk/london/content/..._feature.shtml In practice I'd think this means that anyone wishing to do a last minute registration needs to visit the office of their borough's Electoral Registration Officer tomorrow *in person* during their office opening hours. Note that as well as British & Commonwealth citizens, as this is a local election it is also open to citizens of EU member states who live in Greater London. More info at the 'London Elects' website he http://www.londonelects.org.uk/registering_to_vote.aspx This thread will now descend into partisan bickering... (and I ain't going to get involved!). |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLAelections
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Mizter T wrote:
This thread will now descend into partisan bickering... GO BRIAN, GO BRIAN, GO BRIAN, GO BRIAN GO! (and I ain't going to get involved!). Awww. tom -- There is no latest trend. |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLA elections
"Mizter T" wrote in message
... Any residents of Greater London who, for whatever reason, are not yet registered to vote and wish to do so in the forthcoming elections for the Mayor of London and the Greater London Assembly on 1st May "must register by midnight 16th April 2008"... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...yor/article.do An important read, this - seems it's pointless voting for anyone other than Ken or Boris! Ian |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLAelections
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Ian F. wrote:
"Mizter T" wrote in message ... Any residents of Greater London who, for whatever reason, are not yet registered to vote and wish to do so in the forthcoming elections for the Mayor of London and the Greater London Assembly on 1st May "must register by midnight 16th April 2008"... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...yor/article.do An important read, this - seems it's pointless voting for anyone other than Ken or Boris! Well, not quite. But it's pointless using your *second* vote for anyone other than Ken or Boris, or using it at all if your first vote is for Ken or Boris - assuming that it's Ken and Boris who make it through to the second round, that is. To me, this seems elementary. I'm surprised to read comments that a lot of people don't understand the system; perhaps it hasn't been publicised well enough. tom -- There is no latest trend. |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLA elections
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message
h.li... Well, not quite. But it's pointless using your *second* vote for anyone other than Ken or Boris, or using it at all if your first vote is for Ken or Boris Got it. To me, this seems elementary. I'm surprised to read comments that a lot of people don't understand the system; Well, I had no idea that that was the position - and I'm *really*, *really* clever. ;-) But now I know...well then, it's just the one vote for me. Ian |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLAelections
On Apr 15, 7:42 pm, "Ian F." wrote:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...-details/Don%2... An important read, this - seems it's pointless voting for anyone other than Ken or Boris! Terrible piece from Gilligan (quelle surprise). He implies that it won't make a blind bit of difference whether Ken-or-Boris wins on first-preference votes or second preference votes. This is rubbish. If the first-round outcome were 33 Ken / 33 Boris / 32 Brian / 2 nutters, and the second-run outcome were 51 Boris / 40 Ken / 9 nobody, then this would make a massive difference to the three parties' positions, strategies, and behaviour over the next few years - both in London and nationwide - compared to a first-round outcome of 51 Boris / 40 Ken / 7 Brian (with no second preferences cast) / 2 nutters. But the final outcome would be the same. So vote for whichever party you most support as first preference, because *that will determine how important they are perceived as being in London*. Just remember that if you don't have one of Ken or Boris *somewhere* down on your paper, it's unlikely to make much of a difference to the final result. [I assume the reason for Gilligan's hatchet-job is primarily that he's worried people will vote for left-wing parties first and Ken second to punish Labour while keeping Boris out. In fact, this is still a Very Sensible Thing To Do if you're left-wing and dislike current Labour policies, but don't want a right-wing buffoon in power...] -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLA elections
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:48:40 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Ian F. wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message ... Any residents of Greater London who, for whatever reason, are not yet registered to vote and wish to do so in the forthcoming elections for the Mayor of London and the Greater London Assembly on 1st May "must register by midnight 16th April 2008"... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...yor/article.do An important read, this - seems it's pointless voting for anyone other than Ken or Boris! Well, not quite. But it's pointless using your *second* vote for anyone other than Ken or Boris, or using it at all if your first vote is for Ken or Boris - assuming that it's Ken and Boris who make it through to the second round, that is. But if it isn't, it will be Paddick and (Ken or Boris); therefore if your first vote is for Ken or Boris and you care between the other and Paddick (either way), you should still cast your second vote. |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLA elections
"James Farrar" wrote in message
... But if it isn't, But it will be. Ian |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLA elections
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:57:21 +0100, "Ian F."
wrote: "James Farrar" wrote in message .. . But if it isn't, But it will be. Almost certainly. |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLAelections
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, James Farrar wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 20:48:40 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Ian F. wrote: "Mizter T" wrote in message ... Any residents of Greater London who, for whatever reason, are not yet registered to vote and wish to do so in the forthcoming elections for the Mayor of London and the Greater London Assembly on 1st May "must register by midnight 16th April 2008"... http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...yor/article.do An important read, this - seems it's pointless voting for anyone other than Ken or Boris! Well, not quite. But it's pointless using your *second* vote for anyone other than Ken or Boris, or using it at all if your first vote is for Ken or Boris - assuming that it's Ken and Boris who make it through to the second round, that is. But if it isn't, it will be Paddick and (Ken or Boris); therefore if your first vote is for Ken or Boris and you care between the other and Paddick (either way), you should still cast your second vote. That's quite a good point, actually. I'd say the chances of Brian getting through are slim, but if you have voted for Ken or Boris in first place, you might as well use your second to choose between Brian and whoever beat your first choice. We should just have a complete ordered ballot and do Instant Runoff Voting [1], really. That's actually much easier to understand from a voter's point of view. tom [1] And in case any other electoral system loonies are reading this, yes, i know IRV is flawed and that Schulze's method is better, but you'll never get people to accept a system that only the high priests understand. -- william gibson said that the future has already happened, it just isn't evenly distributed. he was talking specifically about finsbury park. -- andy |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLAelections
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008, Ian F. wrote:
"Tom Anderson" wrote in message h.li... Well, not quite. But it's pointless using your *second* vote for anyone other than Ken or Boris, or using it at all if your first vote is for Ken or Boris Got it. To me, this seems elementary. I'm surprised to read comments that a lot of people don't understand the system; Well, I had no idea that that was the position - and I'm *really*, *really* clever. ;-) I don't doubt it! I think i may not have been properly accounting for the fact that i am a huge electoral system nerd. Cloneproof Schwartz sequential dropping, anyone? But now I know...well then, it's just the one vote for me. Hmm. Either you support Boris, in which case BOOOO!, or you prefer Ken to both Brian and Sian, in which case, BOOOO! :) tom -- william gibson said that the future has already happened, it just isn't evenly distributed. he was talking specifically about finsbury park. -- andy |
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Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLA
On 16 Apr, 14:37, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
(John B) wrote: [I assume the reason for Gilligan's hatchet-job is primarily that he's worried people will vote for left-wing parties first and Ken second to punish Labour while keeping Boris out. In fact, this is still a Very Sensible Thing To Do if you're left-wing and dislike current Labour policies, but don't want a right-wing buffoon in power...] A possibly more effective tactic from that position would be Brian Paddick 1, Ken Livingstone 2. It depends on what sort of "left-wing" you are. That's precisely the voting strategy I'm going to use, since I'm a free-market liberal, but if someone is actually a socialist then voting for one of the socialist parties as first choice is worth doing. (there's no point in voting BNP as a working-class protest, since that'll be taken as "I'm a bigot who wants to kick out the darkies" even if - as I think it is in many areas where they've been successful - it really means "I'm working-class and poor and fed up with being completely ignored by the three middle-class mainstream parties". But if the combined proper-socialist vote were to reach 10%, that's the point where Labour would start worrying it could no longer bank on working class support) -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLA elections
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:06:16 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote: We should just have a complete ordered ballot and do Instant Runoff Voting [1], really. That's actually much easier to understand from a voter's point of view. True enough, though we call it the Alternative Vote on this side of the Pond... |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLA
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, John B wrote:
On 16 Apr, 14:37, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: (John B) wrote: [I assume the reason for Gilligan's hatchet-job is primarily that he's worried people will vote for left-wing parties first and Ken second to punish Labour while keeping Boris out. In fact, this is still a Very Sensible Thing To Do if you're left-wing and dislike current Labour policies, but don't want a right-wing buffoon in power...] A possibly more effective tactic from that position would be Brian Paddick 1, Ken Livingstone 2. Boris Johnson 0, Liverpool 1. It depends on what sort of "left-wing" you are. That's precisely the voting strategy I'm going to use, Me too! (there's no point in voting BNP as a working-class protest, since that'll be taken as "I'm a bigot who wants to kick out the darkies" even if - as I think it is in many areas where they've been successful - it really means "I'm working-class and poor and fed up with being completely ignored by the three middle-class mainstream parties". But if the combined proper-socialist vote were to reach 10%, that's the point where Labour would start worrying it could no longer bank on working class support) Do you think? I reckon that as long as the proper-socialist or whatever vote is small enough that it doesn't threaten Ken's position in the top two, Labour knows that they'll still pick up the second-preference votes anyway, and don't need to worry. That's why Brian is a good left-wing protest vote: he's got more of a chance of getting into the top two, at which point he becomes something that Labour really do have to worry about. tom -- Taking care of business |
Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLAelections
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008, James Farrar wrote:
On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 14:06:16 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote: We should just have a complete ordered ballot and do Instant Runoff Voting [1], really. That's actually much easier to understand from a voter's point of view. True enough, though we call it the Alternative Vote on this side of the Pond... I think that's a terrible name, and i eschew it. tom -- Taking care of business |
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Weds 16 April - last day to register to vote for Mayoral & GLA
On Apr 17, 12:54*am, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
In article , (John B) wrote: On 16 Apr, 14:37, (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote: (John B) wrote: [I assume the reason for Gilligan's hatchet-job is primarily that he's worried people will vote for left-wing parties first and Ken second to punish Labour while keeping Boris out. In fact, this is still a Very Sensible Thing To Do if you're left-wing and dislike current Labour policies, but don't want a right-wing buffoon in power...] A possibly more effective tactic from that position would be Paddick 1, Ken Livingstone 2. It depends on what sort of "left-wing" you are. That's precisely the voting strategy I'm going to use, since I'm a free-market liberal, but if someone is actually a socialist then voting for one of the socialist parties as first choice is worth doing. The difference with the Brian Paddick 1, Ken Livingstone 2 tactic is that, unlike the socialist fringe, there is a chance, even if small, that Brian Paddick might even be elected. Most people probably want to elect someone whose clear political agenda they agree with, and will make do with someone who actually knows about running London. On that basis, the majority second preference votes would go to Ken Livingstone (unless he got the majority of first preference). It's not so clear for me how Brian Paddick meets the criteria for the first preference votes, even if people think he's a nice chap. |
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