Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

Calls to rename East End station

A proposal has been made to change the name of a revamped station due
to open in the East End in two years time.

Shoreditch High Street station will open as part of the East London
Line.

Tower Hamlets councillor Abdal Ullah said the new station should be
called "Banglatown" to reflect the strong Bangladeshi community.

Transport for London (TfL) said changing the name would cost about £2m
and warned the proposals could cause some confusion.

"The Bangladeshi community of this area are the custodians of the
community," said Mr Ullah.

"This area has been a haven for migrant communities and the
Bangladeshi community by far is one of the largest at the moment and
they want to leave a symbol for future generations."

But a TfL spokesman said: "The cost of changing the name of a station
can be substantial and time consuming, as it is not just the physical
station signs that have to be addressed but also maps, leaflets,
related publications and pre-recorded announcements.

"It is important that a station name takes into account the street or
the official name of its area, as recorded on official maps."

Two years ago, Mr Ullah launched a campaign to rename Aldgate East
tube station Brick Lane - without success.

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Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

alex_t wrote:

Shoreditch High Street station will open as part of the East London
Line.

Tower Hamlets councillor Abdal Ullah said the new station should be
called "Banglatown" to reflect the strong Bangladeshi community.

The last I heard they wanted to give that name to Aldgate East (when someone
pointed out that "Brick Lane" would not be terribly accurate). I don't think
naming stations after ill defined areas is particularly useful when the main
purpose should be to indicate where the station is. I mean even the
Wikipedia entry for "Banglatown" is a redirect to Brick Lane.

Now if they were talking about the old Shoreditch station they may have a
stronger case.

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

alex_t wrote:
Calls to rename East End station

A proposal has been made to change the name of a revamped station due
to open in the East End in two years time.

Shoreditch High Street station will open as part of the East London
Line.

But a TfL spokesman said: "The cost of changing the name of a station
can be substantial and time consuming, as it is not just the physical
station signs that have to be addressed but also maps, leaflets,
related publications and pre-recorded announcements.

These reasons are the ones they nearly always trot out in response to name
change requests. Unfortunately in this case most of the difficulties are not
yet apparent, because of the two year timescale to completion.

"It is important that a station name takes into account the street or
the official name of its area, as recorded on official maps."

That's better...

Paul S

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On May 20, 11:11*pm, "Tim Roll-Pickering" T.C.Roll-
wrote:
alex_t wrote:
Shoreditch High Street station will open as part of the East London
Line.
Tower Hamlets councillor Abdal Ullah said the new station should be
called "Banglatown" to reflect the strong Bangladeshi community.

The last I heard they wanted to give that name to Aldgate East (when someone
pointed out that "Brick Lane" would not be terribly accurate). I don't think
naming stations after ill defined areas is particularly useful when the main
purpose should be to indicate where the station is. I mean even the
Wikipedia entry for "Banglatown" is a redirect to Brick Lane.

Now if they were talking about the old Shoreditch station they may have a
stronger case.

I think that Brick Lane might have been reasonably useful as a name
because it is near where Brick Lane is located (as accurate as Euston
Square or Chancery Lane), but to name a station after people who are
assumed to live there has no precedent in London as far as I know.

Maybe Councillor Ullah is being bribed by a far-right group to make
ludicrous suggestions that will inevitably attract ridicule and racist
abuse?

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

Tim Roll-Pickering wrote:
alex_t wrote:

Shoreditch High Street station will open as part of the East London
Line.

Tower Hamlets councillor Abdal Ullah said the new station should be
called "Banglatown" to reflect the strong Bangladeshi community.

The last I heard they wanted to give that name to Aldgate East (when
someone pointed out that "Brick Lane" would not be terribly
accurate). I don't think naming stations after ill defined areas is
particularly useful when the main purpose should be to indicate where
the station is. I mean even the Wikipedia entry for "Banglatown" is a
redirect to Brick Lane.
Now if they were talking about the old Shoreditch station they may
have a stronger case.

Not really. The old Shoreditch station (ELL) should have been called
Spitalfields.
--
Richard J.
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Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:15:29 -0700 (PDT), alex_t
wrote:

Calls to rename East End station

A proposal has been made to change the name of a revamped station due
to open in the East End in two years time.

Shoreditch High Street station will open as part of the East London
Line.

Tower Hamlets councillor Abdal Ullah said the new station should be
called "Banglatown" to reflect the strong Bangladeshi community.

No it shouldn't. Are we going to rename the 4 stations on Oxford Street
"West End Big Shopping Street Stn 1/2/3/4"? This is all about trade
and commerce and nothing to with recognizing the resident community. All
they need to do is ensure their local publicity for their businesses
correctly reflect the hugely improved transport links they will benefit
from when ELLX opens.

But a TfL spokesman said: "The cost of changing the name of a station
can be substantial and time consuming, as it is not just the physical
station signs that have to be addressed but also maps, leaflets,
related publications and pre-recorded announcements.

Yes it takes a huge amount of effort and cost to do this.

"It is important that a station name takes into account the street or
the official name of its area, as recorded on official maps."

Is the right answer.
--
Paul C

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MIG wrote:

I think that Brick Lane might have been reasonably useful as a name
because it is near where Brick Lane is located (as accurate as Euston
Square or Chancery Lane),

Both of which are old names from a different era. Just because in the past
ambiguities were made (although wasn't Chancery Lane a name that was
reasonably accurate for the site of the original lifts and never got changed
when a new entrance was built for escalators?) doesn't mean they should be
repeated now.

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On Tue, 20 May 2008, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Tue, 20 May 2008 14:15:29 -0700 (PDT), alex_t
wrote:

A proposal has been made to change the name of a revamped station due
to open in the East End in two years time. Shoreditch High Street
station will open as part of the East London Line. Tower Hamlets
councillor Abdal Ullah said the new station should be called
"Banglatown" to reflect the strong Bangladeshi community.

No it shouldn't. Are we going to rename the 4 stations on Oxford Street
"West End Big Shopping Street Stn 1/2/3/4"?

Yes. And also rename Finsbury Park to Studly Geniuses.

At least until i move elsewhere.

This is all about trade and commerce and nothing to with recognizing the
resident community.

No, it's about an ambitious local politician trying to raise his own
profile and win some brownie points with his constituents.

tom

--
We got our own sense of propaganda. We call it truth. -- Rex Steele,
Nazi Smasher

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

As far as I remember there are some other sizeable minorities living
in Spitalfields/Shoreditch, so it is also a bit discriminatory
suggestion.

Are we going to rename the 4 stations on Oxford Street
"West End Big Shopping Street Stn 1/2/3/4"?

In the pattern of original suggestion we could have:
Golders Green - JewsTown
Vauxhall - GayClubsTown
Hyde Park Corner - SomeRussiansLivingNearbyTown (in Mayfair)

Disclaimer: I only used minorities to which I belong, so this is not
racism, this is self-criticism. Thank you, I'll be here all week.

--
Alex T
(who cannot believe that in just one month he will finally leave
Stratford for good!)

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On Wed, 21 May 2008 00:35:19 +0100, Tom Anderson
wrote:

Yes. And also rename Finsbury Park to Studly Geniuses.

At least until i move elsewhere.

g

Modest as ever, Tom.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

"alex_t" wrote in message
...
Calls to rename East End station

A proposal has been made to change the name of a revamped station due
to open in the East End in two years time.

Shoreditch High Street station will open as part of the East London
Line.

Tower Hamlets councillor Abdal Ullah said the new station should be
called "Banglatown" to reflect the strong Bangladeshi community.

I see no reason why station names should not reflect current social trends
or political figures.

We've already got Golda's Green - a tribute to former Israeli premier Golda
Meir.

There must be an appropriate "Heath" that could be modified to acknowledge
the late Sir Edward of that name, though I can't think of a suitable current
station name than easily be amended to
"That-****-Brown-promoted-beyond-his-abilities."
--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On May 20, 10:15 pm, alex_t wrote:
"The Bangladeshi community of this area are the custodians of the
community," said Mr Ullah.

Really? Then they might want to try harder since apart from around the
high street that area is a dump and tower hamlets in general is a
sewer.

"This area has been a haven for migrant communities and the
Bangladeshi community by far is one of the largest at the moment and
they want to leave a symbol for future generations."

Why does he think future generations will give a toss? Does he care
that it used to be a very jewish area? Doubt it.

Two years ago, Mr Ullah launched a campaign to rename Aldgate East
tube station Brick Lane - without success.

He sounds like a grade A ****. I wonder how long however before George
Galloway crawls out the woodwork to add his dubious support in order
to gain some brownie points with the extremists.

B2003

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On May 21, 9:57 am, Boltar wrote:
Two years ago, Mr Ullah launched a campaign to rename Aldgate East
tube station Brick Lane - without success.

He sounds like a grade A ****. I wonder how long however before George
Galloway crawls out the woodwork to add his dubious support in order
to gain some brownie points with the extremists.


Unlikely, since:

1) Since Galloway got in in Bethnal & Bow, he's done almost exactly
****-all not only for the constituency, including the Bangla
community;

2) the shopkeepers who want their area to be represented on the Tube
map to attract more tourists and the extremists who want to destroy
Western Society are not the same people, despite sharing a skin
colour.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

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On 21 May, 09:57, Boltar wrote:
On May 20, 10:15 pm, alex_t wrote:

"The Bangladeshi community of this area are the custodians of the
community," said Mr Ullah.

Really? Then they might want to try harder since apart from around the
high street that area is a dump and tower hamlets in general is a
sewer.

"This area has been a haven for migrant communities and the
Bangladeshi community by far is one of the largest at the moment and
they want to leave a symbol for future generations."

Why does he think future generations will give a toss? Does he care
that it used to be a very jewish area? Doubt it.

Two years ago, Mr Ullah launched a campaign to rename Aldgate East
tube station Brick Lane - without success.

He sounds like a grade A ****. I wonder how long however before George
Galloway crawls out the woodwork to add his dubious support in order
to gain some brownie points with the extremists.

The only extremists who will benefit from this are the BNP. I don't
think even Galloway is reckless enough to support something like this,
even if he agreed with it.

I note that Abdal Ullah is a New Labour concillor for a different ward
(St Dunstans and Stepney Green).

The relevant council ward is actually now called "Spitalfields and
Banglatown", but council ward names are notoriously inappropriate in a
number of areas.

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On May 21, 10:33*am, MIG wrote:
On 21 May, 09:57, Boltar wrote:





On May 20, 10:15 pm, alex_t wrote:

"The Bangladeshi community of this area are the custodians of the
community," said Mr Ullah.

Really? Then they might want to try harder since apart from around the
high street that area is a dump and tower hamlets in general is a
sewer.

"This area has been a haven for migrant communities and the
Bangladeshi community by far is one of the largest at the moment and
they want to leave a symbol for future generations."

Why does he think future generations will give a toss? Does he care
that it used to be a very jewish area? Doubt it.

Two years ago, Mr Ullah launched a campaign to rename Aldgate East
tube station Brick Lane - without success.

He sounds like a grade A ****. I wonder how long however before George
Galloway crawls out the woodwork to add his dubious support in order
to gain some brownie points with the extremists.

The only extremists who will benefit from this are the BNP. *I don't
think even Galloway is reckless enough to support something like this,
even if he agreed with it.

I note that Abdal Ullah is a New Labour concillor for a different ward
(St Dunstans and Stepney Green).

The relevant council ward is actually now called "Spitalfields and
Banglatown", but council ward names are notoriously inappropriate in a
number of areas.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How about the station is called Shoreditch High Street and they have
little signs underneath saying for Banglatown. Seems a straightforward
compromise.

As for earlier suggestion that Tower Hamlets is a sewer, this is way
off, its got some superb streets like Folgate St and Hanbury St, full
of lovely Georgian houses, and nearby Hawksmoors Christ Church
Spitalfields. Not what Id call a dump.

Rob

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On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 03:26:43PM -0700, MIG wrote:

to name a station after people who are
assumed to live there has no precedent in London as far as I know.

You mean that Chancery Lane isn't named after all the dodgy chancers in
the area? And Old Street isn't named after all the old biddies going to
Moorfields hospital for their cataract ops?

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Fashion label: n: a liferaft for personalities
which lack intrinsic buoyancy

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On 21 May, 12:12, David Cantrell wrote:
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 03:26:43PM -0700, MIG wrote:
* * * * * * * * * * * * * to name a station after people who are
assumed to live there has no precedent in London as far as I know.

You mean that Chancery Lane isn't named after all the dodgy chancers in
the area? *And Old Street isn't named after all the old biddies going to
Moorfields hospital for their cataract ops?


You could have opened up one of those threads ...

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On 21 May, 12:00, Rob wrote:
How about the station is called Shoreditch High Street and they have
little signs underneath saying for Banglatown. Seems a straightforward
compromise.

The current plan is "Shoreditch High Street" with the subtitle "For
Brick Lane". This may even be part of the planning permission - I
can't find a reference right now.

If it matters, the entrance will be on Wheler Street around halfway
between Shoreditch High Street and Brick Lane. It'll be on the west
side of the street, so facing east towards Brick Lane. It'll also be
surrounded by skyscrapers in the near future, which would make the
name "Banglatown" very out of place.

U

--
http://londonconnections.blogspot.com/
A blog about transport projects in London

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On May 21, 10:24 am, John B wrote:
2) the shopkeepers who want their area to be represented on the Tube
map to attract more tourists and the extremists who want to destroy
Western Society are not the same people, despite sharing a skin
colour.

I wasn't talking about the people who want the sign changed , they're
just idiots. But any chance he can get to be anti establishment he'll
take so I'd be surprised if he didn't pop up at some point.

B2003

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On May 21, 12:00 pm, Rob wrote:
As for earlier suggestion that Tower Hamlets is a sewer, this is way
off, its got some superb streets like Folgate St and Hanbury St, full
of lovely Georgian houses, and nearby Hawksmoors Christ Church
Spitalfields. Not what Id call a dump.

Well I did say there exceptions. But generally the borough is a vile
mix of grotty council estates and run down terraces. A few years back
I had the misfortune of having to walk through part of it from
Limehouse when the DLR packed up.

B2003

Banglatown: calls to rename East End station
 

On May 21, 2:46*pm, Boltar wrote:
On May 21, 12:00 pm, Rob wrote:

As for earlier suggestion that Tower Hamlets is a sewer, this is way
off, its got some superb streets like Folgate St and Hanbury St, full
of lovely Georgian houses, and nearby Hawksmoors Christ Church
Spitalfields. Not what Id call a dump.

Well I did say there exceptions. But generally the borough is a vile
mix of grotty council estates and run down terraces. A few years back
I had the misfortune of having to walk through part of it from
Limehouse when the DLR packed up.

B2003

So on the basis of a walk through part of the borough a few years ago
(when you might have been in a bad mood) youre dismissing a whole
borough. A shame you didnt stop off at the Museum in Docklands, or
walk along the river path through Wapping. Or call in at the
Whitechapel Bell Foundry, or the V&A Museum of Childhood or one of the
many independent galleries in Bethanl Green. Or discovered the strange
beach at Saundersness or the place they launched the Great Eastern. Or
walked through St Katherines Dock. All great things in Tower Hamlets.
Yes there is a lot of poverty, but you could describe lots of boroughs
on that basis.

Rob

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On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 04:00:18AM -0700, Rob wrote:

As for earlier suggestion that Tower Hamlets is a sewer, this is way
off, its got some superb streets like Folgate St and Hanbury St, full
of lovely Georgian houses, and nearby Hawksmoors Christ Church
Spitalfields. Not what Id call a dump.

The bit of Hanbury Street nearest to Christ Church is horrid!

--
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Guns aren't the problem. People who deserve to die are the problem.