On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:24:15 +0100, "dB" wrote
this gibberish:


"Roland Perry" wrote in message
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In message , at 15:05:48
on Sun, 6 Jul 2008, dB remarked:
I do live in London and use public transport every day. It's considerably
better than the public transport elsewhere in this country.

That's a fairly bold assertion. Having experienced both at close quarters,
I think the public transport in Nottingham is at least as good. And having
been many places in the World, there are plenty where public transport is
cheaper and cleaner than in London.
--
Roland Perry

A generalisation, yes. As always there are exceptions and Nottingham has
always had fairly good bus services. That's not true of some other large
cities though. If I had to live without a car, of all the places I've lived
in, London would be the easiest place to do it (followed by Nottingham). I
agree about the cleanliness, although to be fair that's not just a public
transport issue.

Personally I've lived in Plymouth, York, Edinburgh, Newcastle and now
London and this is the only place I've been happy to not have a car so
I'm inclined to agree.
yes it could be better on oh so many ways.
yes it is already pretty good.
--
Mark Varley
www.MarkVarleyPhoto.co.uk
www.TwistedPhotography.co.uk
London, England.

On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 06:19:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On 6 Jul, 11:25, James Farrar wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 03:00:25 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On 5 Jul, 19:27, "dB" wrote:
You should try using public transport outside of London. It's not much use
when your last bus leaves at 7 o'clock, or there's no service at all on a

Well thats your choice to live out in the sticks. When you live in a
capital city you expect a workable public transport system.

And that, despite your incessant whining, is precisely what London
has.

Well you bloody commute on it every day then and see just how
wonderful you think it is.

I do. I use the Heathrow branch of the Piccadilly line too.

On Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:46:53 +0100, John Ray
wrote:

Another example is the constant bangs and thumps from underneath the
train, and a generally "bouncy" ride, on the Metropolitan line services
to Uxbridge. Admittedly, the stock is about 45 years old, which may
explain it.

It's getting on a bit, but it would ride fine if the track wasn't in
such a disgraceful state. There was no similar issue with the 1935 (I
think)[1] stock used in Hamburg until 2000.

Bullhead jointed rail has no place on any non-heritage railway in
2008, least of all bullhead jointed rail worn to the state it is on
LUL.

[1] Some of it was unrefurbished, as well, with tungsten lighting and
wooden benches - quite an atmosphere.

Neil

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On Jul 7, 12:14*am, MarkVarley - MVP
wrote:
On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 18:24:15 +0100, "dB" wrote
this gibberish:







"Roland Perry" wrote in message
...
In message , at 15:05:48
on Sun, 6 Jul 2008, dB remarked:
I do live in London and use public transport every day. It's considerably
better than the public transport elsewhere in this country.

That's a fairly bold assertion. Having experienced both at close quarters,
I think the public transport in Nottingham is at least as good. And having
been many places in the World, there are plenty where public transport is
cheaper and cleaner than in London.
--
Roland Perry

A generalisation, yes. As always there are exceptions and Nottingham has
always had fairly good bus services. That's not true of some other large
cities though. If I had to live without a car, of all the places I've lived
in, London would be the easiest place to do it (followed by Nottingham). I
agree about the cleanliness, although to be fair that's not just a public
transport issue.

Personally I've lived in Plymouth, York, Edinburgh, Newcastle and now
London and this is the only place I've been happy to not have a car so
I'm inclined to agree.
yes it could be better on oh so many ways.
yes it is already pretty good.


In London, the transport system doesn't always do what it says on the
tin.

In most other UK towns and cities, it doesn't say anything on the
tin. Try to find a route diagram on display in most places, for
example. You wouldn't know how well the buses were running, because
they are kept such a good secret.

On Jul 7, 7:18 am, MIG wrote:
In most other UK towns and cities, it doesn't say anything on the
tin. Try to find a route diagram on display in most places, for

Unfortunately true, though at least some tram systems have sprung up
in the last decade or so in various places though these are hardly a
replacement for a proper metro. Personally I think the french VAL
system is a nice compromise - its cheaper to build than a conventional
metro and has at a guess the same capacity as a tram system , but is
fully automated with a very frequent service and naturally doesn't get
stuck in traffic. Though this would have meant previous governments
investing in public transport which neither labour nor the tories ever
really wanted to do. Ironic how in france a cities such as Rennes and
Lille have underground VAL systems when there populations are under
half a mil, yet a city like birmingham has one cut price tram line.
Says it all really.

B2003

On 5 Jul, 16:41, wrote:
Only about the tube. I endured 20 years of commuting on it and I'd had
enough. Thank god I now drive to work and only use the tube to visit
the west end now and then.

Methinks you can't be tal;king elsewherte from recent experience - and
would strongly suggest you *listen* to those of us that still
do......rather than denigrating those with recent, up-to-date
experiences of using the system on a daily basis.

On 7 Jul, 17:23, Chris wrote:
Methinks you can't be tal;king elsewherte from recent experience - and

You thinks wrong. I was commuting on the piccadilly + H&C until late
last year until I found out FCC actually knew how to run a service and
started using that instead to & from Moorgate. Then I got a job out of
london entirely. Also I still use the tube occasionally to go to the
west end and I listen to the travel news every day in the car so I
know whats going on.

would strongly suggest you *listen* to those of us that still
do......rather than denigrating those with recent, up-to-date
experiences of using the system on a daily basis.

What - evah.

B2003

wrote:
On 5 Jul, 02:17, Steve M wrote:
You must be loaded... a cab from my house (Finchley) to any of the 5
London airports would cost a bomb! Thankfully... every time I fly (which

Well I don't fly often so the cost doesn't matter. If I did it every
week it might be another matter.

Methinks you are just a bit negative generally. Sometimes, things do go

Only about the tube. I endured 20 years of commuting on it and I'd had
enough. Thank god I now drive to work and only use the tube to visit
the west end now and then. Give me a traffic jam any day instead of
yet another "signal failure" or "regulating the service" or "passenger
action" or whatever other feeble excuse for their incompetence they'd
picked that morning by chucking a dart at a board. They're just liars
as well as useless.

B2003


I used to live in SW London and generally, South West Trains were very
good. I'd catch the same train every day and it was very very rare for
it to be more than 2 minutes late.

Then I moved onto the Northern Line, and feared the worst. But since the
new timetable came into operation in January, I've been very pleasantly
surprised... I aim for a specific train number each day and you'd be
amazed at how often it turns up bang on time. This stat is backed up by
the latest TfL board papers, which state that the Northern Line is now
the most reliable Tube line (98.5% of all journeys operated last period).

And yes, I am staff, but I'm quite capable of being a passenger too. And
generally, things work.

Cheers

Steve M

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 20:59:55 +0100, Steve M
wrote:

Then I moved onto the Northern Line, and feared the worst. But since the
new timetable came into operation in January, I've been very pleasantly
surprised... I aim for a specific train number each day and you'd be
amazed at how often it turns up bang on time. This stat is backed up by
the latest TfL board papers, which state that the Northern Line is now
the most reliable Tube line (98.5% of all journeys operated last period).

And yes, I am staff, but I'm quite capable of being a passenger too. And
generally, things work.

Indeed - I have the same experience with the Victoria Line. Same trains
pretty much day in, day out. Yes it does go wrong sometimes but that
has declined noticeably in recent months. If only I could say the same
for the bus route I use the most!

Still in Boltar world we're all pathological liars riddled with deceit
and specially trained to confuse and rip off LU passengers.
--
Paul C


Admits to working for London Underground!

On Mon, 07 Jul 2008 21:46:39 +0100, Paul Corfield
wrote:

Indeed - I have the same experience with the Victoria Line. Same trains
pretty much day in, day out. Yes it does go wrong sometimes but that
has declined noticeably in recent months. If only I could say the same
for the bus route I use the most!

I find that bus services in London can be very variable, both in terms
of quality and in terms of punctuality. Some of the latter is caused
by excruciatingly poorly designed bus lanes that aren't laid out
properly to avoid queueing traffic getting in the way - I reckon TfL
bus lane planners should take a trip to Germany or the Netherlands for
how it should be done.

Kingsway is the worst, with the bus lane not wide enough for a bus to
drive in without whacking the trees, and with the discontinuous bus
lane at Holborn traffic lights getting blocked by cars. This is a
road crying out for the bus lanes to be in the middle, with general
traffic on the left, and a height restriction to avoid lorries
whacking the trees instead.

Neil

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