Close roads, speed up traffic
 

Tom Anderson wrote:
Science:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...f-anarchy.html

"selfish driving causes everyone to pay the price" must have been
known since at least 1868, when the first traffic lights were installed.

I look forward to reading the paper, and to following development of
these ideas in the future.

Resequencing the lights in London? No need to actually close roads.

Close roads, speed up traffic
 

Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 5 Sep, 12:26, Tom Anderson wrote:
Science:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...riving-causes-...

I look forward to reading the paper, and to following development of
these ideas in the future.

The source says:

"Uncoordinated individuals in human society pursuing their personally
optimal strategies do not always achieve the social optimum, the most
beneficial state to the society as a whole. Instead, strategies form
Nash equilibria which are often socially suboptimal. Society,

Do you really understand what a Nash equilibrium is Duhg?

therefore, has to pay a price of anarchy for the lack of coordination
among its members."

Or in other words, selfish drivers do not serve the common good and
give anarchists a bad name. Well, we knew that already didn't we.

No Doug, people behave like that whether they are drivers or not. Anarchists
are by nature selfish.

True anarchism requires more empathy between people. Its people that are
selfish, that's why anarchism will never work, and also why Duhg isn't
one. He's too selfish.




--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin

Close roads, speed up traffic
 

On 6 Sep, 10:11, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 5 Sep, 12:26, Tom Anderson wrote:
Science:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...riving-causes-...

I look forward to reading the paper, and to following development of
these ideas in the future.

The source says:

"Uncoordinated individuals in human society pursuing their personally
optimal strategies do not always achieve the social optimum, the most
beneficial state to the society as a whole. Instead, strategies form
Nash equilibria which are often socially suboptimal. Society,
therefore, has to pay a price of anarchy for the lack of coordination
among its members."

Or in other words, selfish drivers do not serve the common good and
give anarchists a bad name. Well, we knew that already didn't we.

No Doug, people behave like that whether they are drivers or not. Anarchists
are by nature selfish.

As usual you fail to demonstrate any understanding of anarchy.

--
World Carfree Network
http://www.worldcarfree.net/
Help for your car-addicted friends in the U.K.

Close roads, speed up traffic
 

On 6 Sep, 19:28, John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 5 Sep, 12:26, Tom Anderson wrote:
Science:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...riving-causes-...

I look forward to reading the paper, and to following development of
these ideas in the future.

The source says:

"Uncoordinated individuals in human society pursuing their personally
optimal strategies do not always achieve the social optimum, the most
beneficial state to the society as a whole. Instead, strategies form
Nash equilibria which are often socially suboptimal. Society,

Do you really understand what a Nash equilibrium is Duhg?

Relevance of question? Exactly how would an understanding of Nash
equilibria or not influence an understanding of 'socially suboptimal'?

therefore, has to pay a price of anarchy for the lack of coordination
among its members."

Or in other words, selfish drivers do not serve the common good and
give anarchists a bad name. Well, we knew that already didn't we.

No Doug, people behave like that whether they are drivers or not. Anarchists
are by nature selfish.

True anarchism requires more empathy between people.

Thank you, at last.

Its people that are
selfish, that's why anarchism will never work, and also why Duhg isn't
one. He's too selfish.

Anarchism has been shown to work on a small scale, Gohn, but the
problem is governments would never allow it to work on a much larger
scale as it would mean them forfeiting much of the power they have
over the people.

--
UK Radical Campaigns
www.zing.icom43.net
One man's democracy is another man's regime.

Close roads, speed up traffic
 

Doug wrote:
On 6 Sep, 19:28, John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 5 Sep, 12:26, Tom Anderson wrote:
Science:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...riving-causes-...

I look forward to reading the paper, and to following development
of these ideas in the future.

The source says:

"Uncoordinated individuals in human society pursuing their
personally optimal strategies do not always achieve the social
optimum, the most beneficial state to the society as a whole.
Instead, strategies form Nash equilibria which are often socially
suboptimal. Society,

Do you really understand what a Nash equilibrium is Duhg?

Relevance of question? Exactly how would an understanding of Nash
equilibria or not influence an understanding of 'socially suboptimal'?

therefore, has to pay a price of anarchy for the lack of
coordination among its members."

Or in other words, selfish drivers do not serve the common good and
give anarchists a bad name. Well, we knew that already didn't we.

No Doug, people behave like that whether they are drivers or not.
Anarchists are by nature selfish.

True anarchism requires more empathy between people.

Thank you, at last.

Its people that are
selfish, that's why anarchism will never work, and also why Duhg
isn't one. He's too selfish.

Anarchism has been shown to work on a small scale, Gohn, but the
problem is governments would never allow it to work on a much larger
scale as it would mean them forfeiting much of the power they have
over the people.

How would you deal with those people who only want to take advantage of
those who are happy to live in co-operation with everyone else?

Close roads, speed up traffic
 

Doug wrote:
On 6 Sep, 10:11, "Brimstone" wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 5 Sep, 12:26, Tom Anderson wrote:
Science:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...riving-causes-...

I look forward to reading the paper, and to following development
of these ideas in the future.

The source says:

"Uncoordinated individuals in human society pursuing their
personally optimal strategies do not always achieve the social
optimum, the most beneficial state to the society as a whole.
Instead, strategies form Nash equilibria which are often socially
suboptimal. Society, therefore, has to pay a price of anarchy for
the lack of coordination among its members."

Or in other words, selfish drivers do not serve the common good and
give anarchists a bad name. Well, we knew that already didn't we.

No Doug, people behave like that whether they are drivers or not.
Anarchists are by nature selfish.

As usual you fail to demonstrate any understanding of anarchy.

As usual, you fail to deal with the primary point.

Close roads, speed up traffic
 

Doug wrote:

As usual you fail to demonstrate any understanding of anarchy.

Oh, the irony.

Close roads, speed up traffic
 

In message
,
Doug writes
Do you really understand what a Nash equilibrium is Duhg?

Relevance of question? Exactly how would an understanding of Nash
equilibria or not influence an understanding of 'socially suboptimal'?
That's a NO then.
--
Clive

Close roads, speed up traffic
 

Doug wrote:

True anarchism requires more empathy between people.

Thank you, at last.

Hence a reason why a sociopath like you can never be an anarchist.

Close roads, speed up traffic
 

Doug wrote:
On 6 Sep, 19:28, John Wright wrote:
Brimstone wrote:
Doug wrote:
On 5 Sep, 12:26, Tom Anderson wrote:
Science:
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post...riving-causes-...
I look forward to reading the paper, and to following development of
these ideas in the future.
The source says:
"Uncoordinated individuals in human society pursuing their personally
optimal strategies do not always achieve the social optimum, the most
beneficial state to the society as a whole. Instead, strategies form
Nash equilibria which are often socially suboptimal. Society,
Do you really understand what a Nash equilibrium is Duhg?

Relevance of question? Exactly how would an understanding of Nash
equilibria or not influence an understanding of 'socially suboptimal'?
therefore, has to pay a price of anarchy for the lack of coordination
among its members."
Or in other words, selfish drivers do not serve the common good and
give anarchists a bad name. Well, we knew that already didn't we.
No Doug, people behave like that whether they are drivers or not. Anarchists
are by nature selfish.
True anarchism requires more empathy between people.

Thank you, at last.
Its people that are
selfish, that's why anarchism will never work, and also why Duhg isn't
one. He's too selfish.

Anarchism has been shown to work on a small scale, Gohn, but the
problem is governments would never allow it to work on a much larger
scale as it would mean them forfeiting much of the power they have
over the people.

Not for any length of time or on any scale. Hence it will never work. As
George Orwell (who I know you dislike) observed, some animals are more
equal than others - this always happens. Governments would not have any
option other than a military one if it came to the crunch - as happened
in Spain where the commune was smashed (or bombed to bits) by the
fascists of Franco with the aid of Hitler's Germany, as I'm sure you know.

Would you really expect any non anarchist government to come to their
aid? Any anarchist society must also be prepared to stand alone.


--
John Wright

"What would happen if you eliminated the autism genes from the gene pool?

You would have a bunch of people standing around in a cave, chatting and
socialising and not getting anything done!" - Professor Temple Grandin