Whilst escaping from rain in Euston today I popped in to see the model.
Amongst the features of interest:

* The carriages have a strong overground feel to them, both on the outside
and inside.

* The carriages are linked like current DLR cars and trams with passengers
able to walk the length of the train. This may, however, make it impossible
to have a half-length train for Chesham - see below.

* There are door open buttons - will TfL ever make up their mind about
these? - but no, as far as I could see, door close buttons.

* There's a mixture of seats including sideways, cross ways and fold down. I
have to say I don't like the angle of the seats for long journeys on the
Met.

* The seats are attached to the wall rather than the floor, allowing bags to
be put under them.

* There will be airconditioning on the trains, taking advantage of the old
arrangements in the tunnels for steam.

* The carriages will be used on all four sub-surface lines with platform
lengthenings where necessary (and presumably also track variations). As well
as the possibility of formal line rearrangements (e.g. Met to Barking and
turning the rest of the H&C and Circle into a Tea-Cup) this also makes it
easier to run special services, particularly to bypass engineering works.
(How likely is a Wimbledon to Barking via Baker Street through service when
the Embankment route is out of action?) However it could create problems for
the Chesham shuttle service - the bay road at Chalfont & Latimer is too
short for a full-length train (as would be a restored bay at Chesham) and
the station prevents expansion.

(Come to think of it isn't one of the latest timetable proposals aiming to
replace the shuttle service with through trains diverted from Amersham?)

On 1 Oct, 21:49, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:
* The carriages have a strong overground feel to them, both on the outside
and inside.

They're Electrostars with a different bodyshell profile and quite a
lot of bespoke fittings.

* There are door open buttons - will TfL ever make up their mind about
these? - but no, as far as I could see, door close buttons.

The doors auto-close after 40 seconds to keep the air-conditioned air
in, and the button is to re-open them.

* There's a mixture of seats including sideways, cross ways and fold down. I
have to say I don't like the angle of the seats for long journeys on the
Met.

The carriage on the left is Met (mixed longitudinal and transverse),
the one on the right is Circle/District (transverse both sides).

* The carriages will be used on all four sub-surface lines with platform
lengthenings where necessary (and presumably also track variations).

The Met will still have its own unique trains. (8 vs 7 cars and a
unique seating layout)

(How likely is a Wimbledon to Barking via Baker Street through service when
the Embankment route is out of action?)

You'd still have to find a drivers that are trained on all the parts
of the route.

(Come to think of it isn't one of the latest timetable proposals aiming to
replace the shuttle service with through trains diverted from Amersham?)

Yes. I can't see anything else happening.

U

On 1 Oct, 22:36, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 1 Oct, 21:49, "Tim Roll-Pickering"
wrote:

* The carriages have a strong overground feel to them, both on the outside
and inside.

They're Electrostars with a different bodyshell profile and quite a
lot of bespoke fittings.

* There are door open buttons - will TfL ever make up their mind about
these? - but no, as far as I could see, door close buttons.

The doors auto-close after 40 seconds to keep the air-conditioned air
in, and the button is to re-open them.

* There's a mixture of seats including sideways, cross ways and fold down. I
have to say I don't like the angle of the seats for long journeys on the
Met.

The carriage on the left is Met (mixed longitudinal and transverse),
the one on the right is Circle/District (transverse both sides).

* The carriages will be used on all four sub-surface lines with platform
lengthenings where necessary (and presumably also track variations).

The Met will still have its own unique trains. (8 vs 7 cars and a
unique seating layout)

(How likely is a Wimbledon to Barking via Baker Street through service when
the Embankment route is out of action?)

You'd still have to find a drivers that are trained on all the parts
of the route.

(Come to think of it isn't one of the latest timetable proposals aiming to
replace the shuttle service with through trains diverted from Amersham?)

Yes. I can't see anything else happening.

U

I was having a moment of curiosity last night about the train lengths,
and vaguely recalled (and seemed to find mentions of) platform
lengthening as part of the upgrade...but no details. Don't suppose
anyone knows any?

Jamie Thompson wrote:

I was having a moment of curiosity last night about the train lengths,
and vaguely recalled (and seemed to find mentions of) platform
lengthening as part of the upgrade...but no details. Don't suppose
anyone knows any?

I can't recall details myself but the lengthening was announced on a display
next to the model carriage(s) with a promise of longer Circle and H&C
trains. However if the Mets are still going to be even longer it could
continue to cause crowd problems on the shared tracks when passengers often
have no idea which particular line train will turn up next, making it harder
to disperse them along the platform.

On Thu, 2 Oct 2008 05:37:17 -0700 (PDT), Jamie Thompson wrote:

I was having a moment of curiosity last night about the train lengths,
and vaguely recalled (and seemed to find mentions of) platform
lengthening as part of the upgrade...but no details. Don't suppose
anyone knows any?

IIRC there was talk of Notting Hill Gate, Bayswater, Edgware Road, and
Baker Street (Circle) being lengthed from 6 to 7 cars, to allow 7-car
trains on the entire Circle. But did someone suggest it had been
canned?

Mr Thant wrote:

* There's a mixture of seats including sideways, cross ways and fold
down. I
have to say I don't like the angle of the seats for long journeys on the
Met.

The carriage on the left is Met (mixed longitudinal and transverse),
the one on the right is Circle/District (transverse both sides).

Interesting, since my recollection is the carriages are being billed as for
all four lines. (And the map diagrams inside are all Mets.) This does sound
as though a spanner has been put in the works of trains that can easily
switch lines as and when necessary.

* The carriages will be used on all four sub-surface lines with platform
lengthenings where necessary (and presumably also track variations).

The Met will still have its own unique trains. (8 vs 7 cars and a
unique seating layout)

As I said in my other post, I think this will continue the problems at some
Circle/H&C/Met stations. The Liverpool Street to Moorgate portion of my
trips often involves a lot of guesswork about where the end car will stop
at.

(How likely is a Wimbledon to Barking via Baker Street through service
when
the Embankment route is out of action?)

You'd still have to find a drivers that are trained on all the parts
of the route.

True, but if the stock is transferable can the drivers also be trained for
redeployment and specials where necessary?

No drivers will still operate on their allotted lines, any attempt to
change this arrangement and introduce an element of flexibility would
have to be negotiated with the unions, drivers are also supposed to
drive over a route at least every 6 months to retain their route
knowledge, although I'd happily never see Chesham again!

The reason that all the carriages are decorated with Met diagrams is
that the Met will be the first line to get these new trains.

True, but if the stock is transferable can the drivers also be trained for
redeployment and specials where necessary?

On Oct 2, 11:56 pm, "www.waspies.net" wrote:
No drivers will still operate on their allotted lines, any attempt to
change this arrangement and introduce an element of flexibility would
have to be negotiated with the unions,

Why? Surely you're just paid to drive trains , not quibble about where
FFS. As long as you're trained on the stock and taxis are provided to/
from home late/early in the day whats the problem?

B2003

Boltar wrote:
On Oct 2, 11:56 pm, "www.waspies.net" wrote:
No drivers will still operate on their allotted lines, any attempt to
change this arrangement and introduce an element of flexibility would
have to be negotiated with the unions,

Why? Surely you're just paid to drive trains , not quibble about where
FFS. As long as you're trained on the stock and taxis are provided to/
from home late/early in the day whats the problem?

Unions! How does it go again... one man one job, no change without full
discussion and agreement, blah blah blah, oh and more £££!!

In message
, at
05:49:00 on Mon, 6 Oct 2008, Boltar remarked:
No drivers will still operate on their allotted lines, any attempt to
change this arrangement and introduce an element of flexibility would
have to be negotiated with the unions,

Why? Surely you're just paid to drive trains , not quibble about where
FFS. As long as you're trained on the stock and taxis are provided to/
from home late/early in the day whats the problem?

Is the commute in your proposal part of the working day?
--
Roland Perry