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[email protected] October 12th 08 11:44 AM

Wood Lane station
 
I gather this opened today, with the Shepherds Bush to Shepherds Bush
Market renaming at the same time. I gather that completes the rail
openings in that area.

Anyone been?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Paul Weaver October 12th 08 12:11 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On 12 Oct, 12:44, wrote:
I gather this opened today, with the Shepherds Bush to Shepherds Bush
Market renaming at the same time. I gather that completes the rail
openings in that area.

Anyone been?


They kept that quiet. I was confused when I saw all the tube maps at
various parts of the network with the station marked as open yesterday

If only the H&C had a decent frequency or speed

Paul Scott October 12th 08 12:17 PM

Wood Lane station
 

"Paul Weaver" wrote in message
...
On 12 Oct, 12:44, wrote:
I gather this opened today, with the Shepherds Bush to Shepherds Bush
Market renaming at the same time. I gather that completes the rail
openings in that area.

Anyone been?


They kept that quiet. I was confused when I saw all the tube maps at
various parts of the network with the station marked as open yesterday

If only the H&C had a decent frequency...


They intend to double it in the next couple of years when it becomes the
'Hammersmith and Circle'.

Paul S



Abigail Brady October 12th 08 01:23 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On Oct 12, 12:44 pm, wrote:
I gather this opened today, with the Shepherds Bush to Shepherds Bush
Market renaming at the same time. I gather that completes the rail
openings in that area.

Anyone been?


Just back from a trip. It's open.

--
Abi

Tom Page October 12th 08 01:51 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On 12 Oct, 14:23, Abigail Brady wrote:
On Oct 12, 12:44 pm, wrote:

I gather this opened today, with the Shepherds Bush to Shepherds Bush
Market renaming at the same time. I gather that completes the rail
openings in that area.


Anyone been?


Just back from a trip. *It's open.

--
Abi


Photos he

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tompage...odlanestation/

Quite impressed! I like building around the arches and there are
plenty of lifts which is a great idea given the shopping centre's
proximity.

Tom

Neil Williams October 12th 08 02:01 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:17:09 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

They intend to double it in the next couple of years when it becomes the
'Hammersmith and Circle'.


It gets referred to as "Circle and Hammersmith" on a number of the
automatic announcements already, and has been for some time.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Paul Scott October 12th 08 02:04 PM

Wood Lane station
 
Tom Page wrote:


Photos he

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tompage...odlanestation/

Quite impressed! I like building around the arches and there are
plenty of lifts which is a great idea given the shopping centre's
proximity.


Anyone know if the platform length beyond the barriers is to allow for
longer S stock trains when they come into service?

Paul S



Alex Ingram October 12th 08 03:53 PM

Wood Lane station
 
Paul Weaver wrote:
On 12 Oct, 12:44, wrote:
I gather this opened today, with the Shepherds Bush to Shepherds Bush
Market renaming at the same time. I gather that completes the rail
openings in that area.

Anyone been?


They kept that quiet.


I got an e-mail from TFL this morning to tell me it had opened (are they
using Oystercard data to target these?) and a nice leaflet on all the
new transport facilities in the area.

If only the H&C had a decent frequency or speed


I don't know why people malign the H&C so much on those topics. It's
remarkably handy living in this part of West London to be able to use
the H&C rather than the District to reach places like Edgware Road.

Is Paddington in 12 minutes from Goldhawk Road really that slow?
Certainly once the 8 minute service

And on what other line would a driver get out of his cab and help a
blind guy with their journey or even re-open the doors when he sees me
dahsing up the steps at Goldhawk Road. It's a much more village railway
feel I guess and you can hate some aspects of that, but that has other
merits!

Used the new Shepherds Bush Central Line yesterday, very dislocating the
way the station is now set so far back. Also, unless they radically
rephase the lights in favour of pedestrians there is going to be a
permanent queue of them crossing the road outside.

Mr Thant October 12th 08 07:50 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On 12 Oct, 15:04, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Anyone know if the platform length beyond the barriers is to allow for
longer S stock trains when they come into service?


I had a look during my visit. The lengths of the open and closed
sections are exactly right for this to be the case.

U

Mr Thant October 12th 08 08:01 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On 12 Oct, 13:17, "Paul Scott" wrote:
They intend to double it in the next couple of years when it becomes the
'Hammersmith and Circle'.


If I still had a blog, I'd note that after the opening of Wood Lane
and the unravelling of the Circle Line there'll be no changes to the
tube network for the foreseeable future*. And as far as I can tell,
there are no new stations or new lines of any kind due between the
opening of the current DLR extensions, ELL and Imperial Wharf (ca.
2011) and Crossrail (ca. 2017 if it happens). Have I got that right?

U

* Split of the Northern Line maybe, Bakerloo to Watford unlikely,
Bakerloo or Northern extensions south, double unlikely.

Tom Page October 12th 08 08:08 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On 12 Oct, 21:01, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 12 Oct, 13:17, "Paul Scott" wrote:

They intend to double it in the next couple of years when it becomes the
'Hammersmith and Circle'.


If I still had a blog, I'd note that after the opening of Wood Lane
and the unravelling of the Circle Line there'll be no changes to the
tube network for the foreseeable future*. And as far as I can tell,
there are no new stations or new lines of any kind due between the
opening of the current DLR extensions, ELL and Imperial Wharf (ca.
2011) and Crossrail (ca. 2017 if it happens). Have I got that right?

U

* Split of the Northern Line maybe, Bakerloo to Watford unlikely,
Bakerloo or Northern extensions south, double unlikely.


It depends on whether you count the Blackfriars work as being a new
station (the Tube station will be almost completely re-built) or just
an extension of the existing.

Paul Weaver October 12th 08 09:38 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On 12 Oct, 21:01, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 12 Oct, 13:17, "Paul Scott" wrote:

They intend to double it in the next couple of years when it becomes the
'Hammersmith and Circle'.


If I still had a blog, I'd note that after the opening of Wood Lane
and the unravelling of the Circle Line there'll be no changes to the
tube network for the foreseeable future*. And as far as I can tell,
there are no new stations or new lines of any kind due between the
opening of the current DLR extensions, ELL and Imperial Wharf (ca.
2011) and Crossrail (ca. 2017 if it happens). Have I got that right?


Cross river transit? Or has that been cancelled (and replaced by
scummy dangerous murder-buses)

Tweaks to the Olympia service

There's a few rebuildings, Euston Square/Warren Street connection?

What Northern line extensions could there be?

Mike Bristow October 13th 08 08:32 AM

Wood Lane station
 
In article ,
Paul Weaver wrote:
What Northern line extensions could there be?


Kennington - Battersea was mooted by the developers of the power
station.

I think that counts as at least 'treble unlikely', though.

--
Shenanigans! Shenanigans! Best of 3!
-- Flash


Alex[_3_] October 13th 08 09:34 AM

Wood Lane station
 

Cross river transit? Or has that been cancelled (and replaced by
scummy dangerous murder-buses)


That's not tube ;-)

* Bakerloo to Watford Junction (will happen eventually, but not until
Victoria line upgrade will be complete)
* Bakerloo to Camberwell (highly unlikely, not even planning started)
* Metropolitan to Watford Junction (unlikely, unless there will be
sudden about face)
* Split of Northern (quite likely, can be done at any time even now)
* Northern to Battersea Power Station (castle in the sky)
* Replacement of Chesham shuttle with direct service (unlikely, unless
opinion of people in Amersham will be completely disregarded)

Peter Beale October 13th 08 10:40 AM

Wood Lane station
 
Alex wrote:
Cross river transit? Or has that been cancelled (and replaced by
scummy dangerous murder-buses)


That's not tube ;-)

* Bakerloo to Watford Junction (will happen eventually, but not until
Victoria line upgrade will be complete)
* Bakerloo to Camberwell (highly unlikely, not even planning started)
* Metropolitan to Watford Junction (unlikely, unless there will be
sudden about face)
* Split of Northern (quite likely, can be done at any time even now)
* Northern to Battersea Power Station (castle in the sky)
* Replacement of Chesham shuttle with direct service (unlikely, unless
opinion of people in Amersham will be completely disregarded)


Nor is Metropolitan! :-)

Peter Beale

Mr Thant October 13th 08 12:07 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On 13 Oct, 10:34, Alex wrote:
* Bakerloo to Watford Junction (will happen eventually, but not until
Victoria line upgrade will be complete)


TfL have stopped making noises about it. They seem to have decided
they're happy with the status quo. From what I hear the plan to reuse
Victoria Line stock is definitely dead.

* Bakerloo to Camberwell (highly unlikely, not even planning started)


Tim O'Toole did mention it as a goer in an interview a a couple of
years ago, but there's never been anything official.

* Replacement of Chesham shuttle with direct service (unlikely, unless
opinion of people in Amersham will be completely disregarded)


I think the latter is quite likely, because every other plan to serve
Chesham once S-Stock is introduced has been ruled out.

U

Tom Anderson October 13th 08 02:29 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008, Mr Thant wrote:

On 12 Oct, 13:17, "Paul Scott" wrote:
They intend to double it in the next couple of years when it becomes the
'Hammersmith and Circle'.


If I still had a blog, I'd note that after the opening of Wood Lane
and the unravelling of the Circle Line there'll be no changes to the
tube network for the foreseeable future*. And as far as I can tell,
there are no new stations or new lines of any kind due between the
opening of the current DLR extensions, ELL and Imperial Wharf (ca.
2011) and Crossrail (ca. 2017 if it happens). Have I got that right?

* Split of the Northern Line maybe, Bakerloo to Watford unlikely,
Bakerloo or Northern extensions south, double unlikely.


I assume you're counting the Croxley Link as 'not going to happen'. If it
did, what would the timescale be? Is that even a meaningful question? I
would imagine it would come after 2011, but whether it could happen before
2017 is another question.

tom

--
Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.

Tom Anderson October 13th 08 02:30 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On Mon, 13 Oct 2008, Alex wrote:

* Split of Northern (quite likely, can be done at any time even now)


Not quite - the split would increase the number of people changing at
Camden Town, and the station can't handle that. Splitting the line thus
involves rebuilding Camden Town.

tom

--
Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.

Paul Weaver October 13th 08 03:12 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On 13 Oct, 09:32, Mike Bristow wrote:
In article ,
* * * * Paul Weaver wrote:

What Northern line extensions could there be?


Kennington - Battersea was mooted by the developers of the power
station.

I think that counts as at least 'treble unlikely', though.


Presumably via Vauxhall?

How about forking the Victoria at Vauxhall -- I was under the
impression there were capacity problems at Brixton

Alex[_3_] October 13th 08 04:38 PM

Wood Lane station
 

Nor is Metropolitan! :-)


Tell it to TfL ;-)

Alex[_3_] October 13th 08 04:39 PM

Wood Lane station
 

TfL have stopped making noises about it. They seem to have decided
they're happy with the status quo. From what I hear the plan to reuse
Victoria Line stock is definitely dead.


Crap :-(


Tim O'Toole did mention it as a goer in an interview a a couple of
years ago, but there's never been anything official.


Is that 3rd failed revival or 4th? ;-)


I think the latter is quite likely, because every other plan to serve
Chesham once S-Stock is introduced has been ruled out.


Well, I'm glad I'm not living in Amersham!

Alex[_3_] October 13th 08 04:44 PM

Wood Lane station
 

Not quite - the split would increase the number of people changing at
Camden Town, and the station can't handle that. Splitting the line thus
involves rebuilding Camden Town.


It is questionable at best... the main problem at Camden Town is
getting in/out of station, and split won't make it worse.

Plus there's a large number of people who would NOT need to change
trains after split (for example if you are going to Goodge St. from
Colindale, but the first train is to Bank - a lot of people would jump
on it and then change at Camden Town; however if all trains from
Edgware will go to Goodge St. - Camden Town won't be involved at all).

Plus frequency of trains will increase and will help with the crowds.

P.S. I think there was some temporary split recently and it actually
worked quite well.

Alex[_3_] October 13th 08 04:45 PM

Wood Lane station
 

Presumably via Vauxhall?


If only!
Kennington - Wandsworth Road (and looking at location I don't think
it would be interchange with National Rail) - Battersea Power Station

James Farrar October 14th 08 06:44 PM

Wood Lane station
 
On Sun, 12 Oct 2008 13:01:14 -0700 (PDT), Mr Thant
wrote:

On 12 Oct, 13:17, "Paul Scott" wrote:
They intend to double it in the next couple of years when it becomes the
'Hammersmith and Circle'.


If I still had a blog, I'd note that after the opening of Wood Lane
and the unravelling of the Circle Line there'll be no changes to the
tube network for the foreseeable future*.


True. I'll get bored - having moved to London not too long before the
JLE, it's been almost constant change. I suppose we'll have to get
used to studying each new variant of the Diagram for the changes :)

And thers the ELLP to keep us going, I guess...

Paul Weaver October 15th 08 10:11 AM

Wood Lane station
 
On 12 Oct, 21:01, Mr Thant
wrote:
On 12 Oct, 13:17, "Paul Scott" wrote:

They intend to double it in the next couple of years when it becomes the
'Hammersmith and Circle'.


If I still had a blog, I'd note that after the opening of Wood Lane
and the unravelling of the Circle Line there'll be no changes to the
tube network for the foreseeable future*.


One of the evening rags mentioned the unravelling last night. The text
mentioned Notting Hill-Baker street passengers would need to change
at Edgware road, but then coupled it wil a diagram showing the new
line going hammersmith - shepherds bush-Edgware-KingsX-Aldgate-
Westminster-Glocester Rd-Split (NottingHill-Edgware) and (Earls

Court-Hammersmith).

I think they thought it would ump from the district lines at
hammersmith, through the shopping centre, across the street, and land
on the H&C line...

[email protected] October 17th 08 08:20 AM

Wood Lane station
 
From the TFL website:-

"WOOD LANE STATION: No step free access to the westbound platform due
to a faulty lift." !!

Marc.

Alex[_3_] October 17th 08 08:43 AM

Wood Lane station
 

"WOOD LANE STATION: No step free access to the westbound platform due
to a faulty lift." !!


Exactly the same as it was with Langdon Park last year. One wonders
whether they did any testing before opening...

Mr Premise October 18th 08 11:30 AM

Wood Lane station
 
In article , wrote:
From the TFL website:-

"WOOD LANE STATION: No step free access to the westbound platform due
to a faulty lift." !!


Yes, I was there last night and both sets of lifts are faulty and barriered off
(there's two lifts on each side - quite the luxury when they're working).

In the rush to open the station, perhaps the QA procedures weren't quite
thorough enough..



Paul Scott October 18th 08 11:33 AM

Wood Lane station
 

"Mr Premise" wrote in message
...
In article
,
wrote:
From the TFL website:-

"WOOD LANE STATION: No step free access to the westbound platform due
to a faulty lift." !!


Yes, I was there last night and both sets of lifts are faulty and
barriered off
(there's two lifts on each side - quite the luxury when they're working).

In the rush to open the station, perhaps the QA procedures weren't quite
thorough enough..


Unlikely that four lifts would suffer random faults together - it could be
that some check or adjustment is due after somany hours public use. If so
though, that would surely be done when closed to the public if possible...

Paul S



Roland Perry October 18th 08 01:38 PM

Wood Lane station
 
In message , at 11:30:32 on
Sat, 18 Oct 2008, Mr Premise remarked:
In the rush to open the station, perhaps the QA procedures weren't quite
thorough enough.


Same at St Pancras - one of the two escalators from the upper to lower
level if you arrive from the Midland Mainline has been out of use for at
least the last couple of weeks.
--
Roland Perry


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