On 2 Nov, 12:51, " wrote:

(snip)

The fact that the main road leading to the shopping centre from the
South, Holland Avenue or whatever it's called is being dug up, with
narrow lanes (actually one lane, thanks to idiot parking at week-ends)
meant that last week-end, even BEFORE the shopping centre opened there
was traffic tailbacks right the way down to High Street Kensington.
This will mean it is virtually impossible to get to the shopping
centre by car from South London, unless one wants to queue for an hour
or so!


There's a simple solution to this - bring a camping gas stove and cook
yourself a full English Breakfast in your car whilst you wait in the
traffic jam.

Is the "idiot parking" on Holland Road merely residents doing what
they are allowed to do at weekends according to the parking
restrictions?

Of course there are other ways to approach Westfield by car from the
south, such as by joining the A40 Westway at Paddington or by coming
up through Putney, Fulham and Hammersmith. (There are also ways
through the back-streets of Chelsea that avoid the Earl's Court one-
way system, though they're somewhat complex.)

However the best way to approach it from south London is surely by
train or tube, though not at rush hour! The London Overground WLL
service will take you up there from Clapham Junction, and come
December (unless I've got this muddled) trains going up the WLL from
will be starting from East Croydon stopping at all stations via
Norbury and Balham (I forget - is this service going to become more
frequent than hourly?).

Another alternative of course is simply not to go to Westfield, and
instead to go elsewhere - south of the river Croydon, Bromley and
Kingston instantly spring to mind as large shopping destinations.

Or just don't go shopping!

"Mizter T" wrote

However the best way to approach it from south London is surely by
train or tube, though not at rush hour! The London Overground WLL
service will take you up there from Clapham Junction, and come
December (unless I've got this muddled) trains going up the WLL from
will be starting from East Croydon stopping at all stations via
Norbury and Balham (I forget - is this service going to become more
frequent than hourly?).

Another alternative of course is simply not to go to Westfield, and
instead to go elsewhere - south of the river Croydon, Bromley and
Kingston instantly spring to mind as large shopping destinations.

Though South-east London doesn't have any one-change train journey to
Westfield. They can however drive (or get a bus) to Bluewater.

If you go by train to Greenhithe for Bluewater (nice new modular station)
with a through ticket to Bluewater you transfer on Fastrack Route A. This
has a bizarre [1] system whereby you must obtain a ticket from the bus stop
ticket machine before boarding. Even if you have a through (rail issued)
ticket you have to use the bus stop ticket machine to obtain a zero fare bus
ticket. On Friday three teenage girls didn't understand this, but, excellent
service, the bus driver got out and showed them how to do it.

[1] At least if you have a (physical) travelcard, or a Freedom Pass (or
indeed a concessionary travel pass issued by a local authority anywhere in
England) you don't need to obtain a bus ticket before boarding a central
London Bendybus.

Peter

On Nov 2, 1:48�pm, Mizter T wrote:
On 2 Nov, 12:51, " wrote:



(snip)

The fact that the main road leading to the shopping centre from the
South, Holland Avenue or whatever it's called is being dug up, with
narrow lanes (actually one lane, thanks to idiot parking at week-ends)
meant that last week-end, even BEFORE the shopping centre opened there
was traffic tailbacks right the way down to High Street Kensington.
This will mean it is virtually impossible to get to the shopping
centre by car from South London, unless one wants to queue for an hour
or so!

There's a simple solution to this - bring a camping gas stove and cook
yourself a full English Breakfast in your car whilst you wait in the
traffic jam.

Is the "idiot parking" on Holland Road merely residents doing what
they are allowed to do at weekends according to the parking
restrictions?

Of course there are other ways to approach Westfield by car from the
south, such as by joining the A40 Westway at Paddington or by coming
up through Putney, Fulham and Hammersmith. (There are also ways
through the back-streets of Chelsea that avoid the Earl's Court one-
way system, though they're somewhat complex.)

However the best way to approach it from south London is surely by
train or tube, though not at rush hour! The London Overground WLL
service will take you up there from Clapham Junction, and come
December (unless I've got this muddled) trains going up the WLL from
will be starting from East Croydon stopping at all stations via
Norbury and Balham (I forget - is this service going to become more
frequent than hourly?).

Another alternative of course is simply not to go to Westfield, and
instead to go elsewhere - south of the river Croydon, Bromley and
Kingston instantly spring to mind as large shopping destinations.

Or just don't go shopping!

Mizter T,

I made the comment merely as an observation.

I accept your final sentence in its entirety - I hardly ever do any
shopping and when I do it's mostly online.

I have and want nothing to do with Westfield or any other shopping
centre.

I was merely en route from Fulham (where I live) to Cambridge for a
long week-end, which was made considerably shorter by the traffic
jam! I will certainly avoid the area like the plague in future.

The "idiot parking" was a parked German-registered car which
prevented the "narrow lanes" operating, creating a 1-lane bottleneck
at the pinch point where road works begin, so what should have been 2
narrow lanes was actually reduced to one lane for that car-length.

Marc.

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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| However the best way to approach it from south London is surely by
| train or tube, though not at rush hour! The London Overground WLL
| service will take you up there from Clapham Junction, and come
| December (unless I've got this muddled) trains going up the WLL from
| will be starting from East Croydon stopping at all stations via
| Norbury and Balham (I forget - is this service going to become more
| frequent than hourly?).
|

The service in the December 2008 timetable will be hourly (off peak and
weekend). However, there seem to be two pathways each hour allowed between
the West London Line platforms 16 and 17 at Clapham Junction and the
Brighton Lines. The revised service uses the alternate path to the one
currently in use, so those of you who use this link will find your departure
times from Clapham Junction radically different in a few weeks. The other
path appears to be left unused for the time being, which as this service is
being transferred from "fast" to "slow" lines will result in one 10-minute
gap in each hour in the "stopping" service between Clapham Junction and
Balham, compared to the current service which is a minimum 6 minute
interval. So it seems the potential exists for two trains per hour each way
if demand justifies it.
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