New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

I gather the new service using the new line (dont know where it actually
starts or ends) will commence on 28th Sept.

Does anyone knoiw if ALL the Eurostar sevices will be using this from day or
will there only be a few trains using it to begin with?

Thanks

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

In message , Roger the cabin
boy writes
I gather the new service using the new line (dont know where it actually
starts or ends) will commence on 28th Sept.

Does anyone knoiw if ALL the Eurostar sevices will be using this from day or
will there only be a few trains using it to begin with?

Thanks


All services
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New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

I gather the new service using the new line (dont know where it actually
starts or ends) will commence on 28th Sept.

Does anyone knoiw if ALL the Eurostar sevices will be using this from day
or
will there only be a few trains using it to begin with?

Thanks


All services

From this month all services will use Section 1 (which connects at some
Junction) IIRC Fawkham Junction?? Which runs from there to the Channel
Tunnel, and from 2007 most services will operate from St Pancras. Services
will still operate from waterloo, but to a much lesser extent Than now.
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New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

Joe Patrick wrote:


From this month all services will use Section 1 (which connects at some
Junction) IIRC Fawkham Junction?? Which runs from there to the Channel
Tunnel, and from 2007 most services will operate from St Pancras. Services
will still operate from waterloo, but to a much lesser extent Than now.
off to watch A Life of Grime...

Will that be timetabled trains still going to Waterloo or just one-off
occasions when there might be a problem between Fawkham and St Pancras?
It seems a bit strange that after they spend the billions of pounds on
the nice shiny new route and enlarging St Pancras they then carry on
using Waterloo.

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

"Stevie" wrote in message
.. .

Will that be timetabled trains still going to Waterloo or just one-off
occasions when there might be a problem between Fawkham and St Pancras?
It seems a bit strange that after they spend the billions of pounds on
the nice shiny new route and enlarging St Pancras they then carry on
using Waterloo.

The majority of services will use St Pancras but there will still be
regular, timetabled services into/out of Waterloo. Not everyone lives north
of the river!

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

"Jack Taylor" wrote in message k...
The majority of services will use St Pancras but there will still be
regular, timetabled services into/out of Waterloo. Not everyone lives north
of the river!

Also, it's useful to keep driver knowledge of a diversionary route.

PhilD

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New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

The majority of services will use St Pancras but there will still be
regular, timetabled services into/out of Waterloo. Not everyone lives
north
of the river!


So I suppose that Waterloo and St Pancras are goin to be like Heathrow and
Gatwick for international services as such. If I was a visitor to the
country I would muchprefer it if all the international trains ran from the
on station. That way if you need to travel at short notice you can just turn
up at the terminal and book a ticket. With services from Waterloo and St
Pancras you will have to check timetables to see what station you need to be
at.

If they are going to keep the two international stations then I suggest that
maybe Brussels goes from one and Paris from the other. Just a
suggestion.....

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

"Da Man" wrote in message
...
The majority of services will use St Pancras but there will still be
regular, timetabled services into/out of Waterloo. Not everyone lives
north
of the river!


So I suppose that Waterloo and St Pancras are goin to be like Heathrow and
Gatwick for international services as such. If I was a visitor to the
country I would muchprefer it if all the international trains ran from the
on station. That way if you need to travel at short notice you can just
turn
up at the terminal and book a ticket. With services from Waterloo and St
Pancras you will have to check timetables to see what station you need to
be
at.

If they are going to keep the two international stations then I suggest
that
maybe Brussels goes from one and Paris from the other. Just a
suggestion.....

I personally think that your suggestion would be more confusing and
inconvenient. I live south of the river and it already takes me 30 minutes
to get to Waterloo. I'd rather not spend another 30 minutes getting to St.
Pancras.

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

I personally think that your suggestion would be more confusing and
inconvenient. I live south of the river and it already takes me 30
minutes
to get to Waterloo. I'd rather not spend another 30 minutes getting to
St.
Pancras.

Is that not what Ashford is for?

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

"Da Man" wrote in message
...
I personally think that your suggestion would be more confusing and
inconvenient. I live south of the river and it already takes me 30
minutes
to get to Waterloo. I'd rather not spend another 30 minutes getting to
St.
Pancras.

Is that not what Ashford is for?

No. Ashford is for people who live in Kent, not South Londoners at the
mercy of the Tube.

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

"Da Man" wrote in message
...
I personally think that your suggestion would be more confusing and
inconvenient. I live south of the river and it already takes me 30
minutes
to get to Waterloo. I'd rather not spend another 30 minutes getting to
St.
Pancras.

Is that not what Ashford is for?


Not much use if you live in South West London, Surrey, Hampshire or
Berkshire. Why would you want to take a slow domestic service to Ashford to
join E*?

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

Ed Crowley wrote:

I personally think that your suggestion would be more confusing and
inconvenient. I live south of the river and it already takes me 30 minutes
to get to Waterloo. I'd rather not spend another 30 minutes getting to St.
Pancras.



Well everyone north of the river have had to put up with the cross
london journey to get to Waterloo for the last 10 years.

And the St Pancras route will be 20 mins quicker to Ashford than from
Waterloo.

Actually, I suspect the decision to keep both Waterloo and St Pancras
open was made just so that the SRA, or whoever runs the railways these
days, can make a big point of London having *two* International Train
stations...

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

Stevie wrote:
It seems a bit strange that after they spend the billions of pounds on
the nice shiny new route and enlarging St Pancras they then carry on
using Waterloo.

Mind you, it would seem strange after the millions of pounds building a
lovely international terminal at Waterloo not to use it

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

Stuart wrote:
Stevie wrote:
It seems a bit strange that after they spend the billions of pounds on
the nice shiny new route and enlarging St Pancras they then carry on
using Waterloo.

Mind you, it would seem strange after the millions of pounds building a
lovely international terminal at Waterloo not to use it

Yeah and think of the fun we've all had at having French visitors to the UK
arriving in London at a station called Waterloo! St.Pancras just doesn't
have the same er....ring to it, does it? :-)

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

"Stephen O'Connell" wrote the
following in:

Stuart wrote:
Stevie wrote:
It seems a bit strange that after they spend the billions of
pounds on
the nice shiny new route and enlarging St Pancras they then
carry on using Waterloo.

Mind you, it would seem strange after the millions of pounds
building a lovely international terminal at Waterloo not to use
it

Yeah and think of the fun we've all had at having French visitors
to the UK arriving in London at a station called Waterloo!
St.Pancras just doesn't have the same er....ring to it, does it?
:-)

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New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

On Wed, 17 Sep 2003 20:42:56 +0100 Stuart wrote:
} Stevie wrote:
} It seems a bit strange that after they spend the billions of pounds on
} the nice shiny new route and enlarging St Pancras they then carry on
} using Waterloo.
}
} Mind you, it would seem strange after the millions of pounds building a
} lovely international terminal at Waterloo not to use it

When Waterloo International was built it was planned to be temporary.
ISTR that after the completion of the "real" international station the
platforms at Waterloo would be used for domestic services - they are at
the same level as the older platforms.

If international services persisted from Waterloo then presumably they
would have to retain the segregation for immigration control. That
seems an expensive option given both how much space could be put to
other purposes and the duplication with St Pancras.

Matthew
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New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

"Stevie" wrote in message
.. .
Ed Crowley wrote:

I personally think that your suggestion would be more confusing and
inconvenient. I live south of the river and it already takes me 30
minutes
to get to Waterloo. I'd rather not spend another 30 minutes getting to
St.
Pancras.



Well everyone north of the river have had to put up with the cross
london journey to get to Waterloo for the last 10 years.

So your logic is to inconvenience South Londoners because North Londoners
have been in the past? Surely it's better to provide a convenient terminal
both sides of the river, given that cross-London interchanges are such a
pain in the arse (especially with luggage).

And the St Pancras route will be 20 mins quicker to Ashford than from
Waterloo.

Not if you live in South London with a 30 minute Tube journey added on!

Actually, I suspect the decision to keep both Waterloo and St Pancras
open was made just so that the SRA, or whoever runs the railways these
days, can make a big point of London having *two* International Train
stations...

I think it's to get value out of the existing Waterloo terminal, provide
another convenient interchange and to provide a backup in case of a problem
at St. Pancras.

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

"Stevie" wrote in message
.. .

Actually, I suspect the decision to keep both Waterloo
and St Pancras open was made just so that the SRA,
or whoever runs the railways these days, can make
a big point of London having *two* International Train
stations...

Three (Stratford).

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New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

In article ,
Stevie wrote:
days, can make a big point of London having *two* International Train
stations...

Three. Or is Newham not London?


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New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

On Fri, 19 Sep 2003 06:22:06 +0000 (UTC), Mike Bristow
wrote:

In article ,
Stevie wrote:
days, can make a big point of London having *two* International Train
stations...

Three. Or is Newham not London?

Are you asking if the London Borough of Newham is in London?


Cheers,

Jason.

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

In article ,
John Rowland wrote:
"Stevie" wrote in message
. ..

Actually, I suspect the decision to keep both Waterloo
and St Pancras open was made just so that the SRA,
or whoever runs the railways these days, can make
a big point of London having *two* International Train
stations...

Three (Stratford).



Very handy (for me, in London E14:-)

And also for the Olympics??

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New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

or whoever runs the railways these days, can make
a big point of London having *two* International Train
stations...

Three (Stratford).

--
I have never seen a convincing argument for building the London terminus at
St Pancras. Its as if the French end of the route terminated somewherein
South East Paris. The trains should surely have passed through Stratford on
their way to the North East or North West, or terminated at Stratford as
applicable.

Paul

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

On Thu, 25 Sep 2003 15:59:33 +0000 (UTC) in uk.transport.london, "Paul Scott"
tapped out on the keyboard:


I have never seen a convincing argument for building the London terminus at
St Pancras. Its as if the French end of the route terminated somewherein
South East Paris. The trains should surely have passed through Stratford on
their way to the North East or North West, or terminated at Stratford as
applicable.


It's a great pity that a great joint mainline station was never built in London,
enabling interchange between all inter-city routes. But, St Pancras is next to
Kings Cross and close to Euston (perhaps a travolator will be built) so is
convenient for most routes north of London, and Stratford is convenient for East
Anglia. Connections for the west are dire however.

I find it odd that Crossrail will not serve Kings Cross / St Pancras.

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New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

St George for England, St Pancras for Sco...er...France!

"Stephen O'Connell" wrote in message
...
Stuart wrote:
Stevie wrote:
It seems a bit strange that after they spend the billions of pounds on
the nice shiny new route and enlarging St Pancras they then carry on
using Waterloo.

Mind you, it would seem strange after the millions of pounds building a
lovely international terminal at Waterloo not to use it

Yeah and think of the fun we've all had at having French visitors to the
UK
arriving in London at a station called Waterloo! St.Pancras just doesn't
have the same er....ring to it, does it? :-)

New Eurostar line from Waterloo
 

JRS: In article , seen in
news:uk.transport.london, John Youles mines.a.pint@localhost.? posted
at Thu, 25 Sep 2003 17:31:15 :-

It's a great pity that a great joint mainline station was never built in London,
enabling interchange between all inter-city routes. But, St Pancras is next to
Kings Cross and close to Euston (perhaps a travolator will be built) so is
convenient for most routes north of London, and Stratford is convenient for East
Anglia. Connections for the west are dire however.

Build a four-or-more track main-line full-gauge railway, in at least two
bores, on a roughly circular route of two or three kilometres radius
centred on Nelson's Column, and at such a depth as to miss artificial
obstructions.

Join it to each major radial route with grade-separated junctions for
all directions, as if it were a motorway; but in some cases at least
allow direct access to at least 2 tracks in each direction round the
ring.

Use additional tracks where stations are needed, and there give
escalator / travelator / lift access to Underground stations and to the
surface.

Pay for it by selling off about half of each existing mail-line
terminus, which will no longer be needed.

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