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I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is
this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a
minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are
more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are
they allowed to just stop at a bus stop.

It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their
destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than
hogging the road for no good reason.

There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that are
100% out of traffic flow and ban them from stopping where they don't.

"Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote in message
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wrote in message
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I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is
this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a
minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are
more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are
they allowed to just stop at a bus stop.

It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their
destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than
hogging the road for no good reason.

There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops that
are 100% out of traffic flow and ban them from stopping where they don't.

Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a stop
and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or alternative
locations to use
--
Alex

"I laugh in the face of danger , then I hide until it goes away"

Dr Zoidberg wrote:
"Depresion" 127.0.0.1 wrote in message
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wrote in message
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I dont know if it is related to the economic situation but recently I
have found that a lot more buses are waiting time at bus stops. Is
this strictly speaking legal. They load up then wait for about a
minute before moving off delaying the traffic behind. Maybe there are
more buses running early as there is less traffic on the road but are
they allowed to just stop at a bus stop.

It would be better if they just kept on going. If they get to their
destination early then maybe the timetable needs changing rather than
hogging the road for no good reason.

There is a simple solution, force bus companies to install bus stops
that are 100% out of traffic flow and ban them from stopping where
they don't.

Bus companies don't have the right to build laybys wherever they need a
stop and on many routes there wouldn't be any place to put them , or
alternative locations to use

Some cities have even deliberately filled in bus lay-bys just to make
congestion worse, so that they can then blame the car user for ensuing
chaos. Also, as bus drivers are disciplined for leaving a stop early, I
don't really think that they'll want to put their job on the line by
disobeying company instructions. After all, if the traffic commissioners
get to hear of it, the bus company can then be heavily fined and forced,
in some cases, to take some of their buses off the road as a further
"punishment"!

--
Moving things in still pictures!

On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:37:40 +0000 someone who may be ®i©ardo
wrote this:-

Some cities have even deliberately filled in bus lay-bys

Correct.

just to make congestion worse,

Incorrect.

There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from
widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the
driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus
and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone but
particularly those with mobility problems. Any traffic calming
effect is just a bonus.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

"David Hansen" wrote in message
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On Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:37:40 +0000 someone who may be ®i©ardo
wrote this:-

Some cities have even deliberately filled in bus lay-bys

Correct.

just to make congestion worse,

Incorrect.

There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from
widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the
driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus
and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone

Incorrect, it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws
up traffic for far more people.

In message , Depresion
writes
it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws
up traffic for far more people.
Correct, in the little town where I live, on a main road is a bus stop
and right opposite it is an island in the middle of the road so that
when the bus stops all traffic behind is held up, not even a cyclist
could get through.
--
Clive

"Clive" wrote in message
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In message , Depresion
writes
it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws
up traffic for far more people.
Correct, in the little town where I live, on a main road is a bus stop and
right opposite it is an island in the middle of the road so that when the
bus stops all traffic behind is held up, not even a cyclist could get
through.
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The object is to stop traffic overtaking a stationary bus in the sort of
area where people leaving the bus might cross the road. Stops them being
flattened, also allows the bus to move off again quickly. It is actually
quicker for ALL the traffic if numpties do not try and overtake a bus as it
moves off. (For the hard-of-thinking, if a bus remains stationary with its
righthand indicator going, waiting to move off, overtaking cars will
overtake more slowly as the road width is restricted by the presence of the
bus, traffic coming the other way will also have to slow down - or even
stop! - whereas, if the following traffic waits while the bus unloads and
then moves off WITH the bus, the overall delay is shorter, except for the
handful of cars that would otherwise manage to squeeze by. THEY are the ones
that slow everything down.)

Such an arrangement should NOT be at a timing point or a point where large
numbers of people are likely to board or alight from the bus. The bus dwell
time should be kept to a minimum.

Clive wrote:
In message , Depresion
writes
it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws
up traffic for far more people.
Correct, in the little town where I live, on a main road is a bus stop
and right opposite it is an island in the middle of the road so that
when the bus stops all traffic behind is held up, not even a cyclist
could get through.

For a while, there was a built-out bus stop he
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl...k&z=19&iwloc=A
which traffic planners might have thought was a ideal place in terms of
helping bus drivers, passengers and pedestrians, particularly those with
mobility problems. They took it out again, because it didn't work.

On Fri, 5 Dec 2008 09:30:53 -0000 someone who may be "Depresion"
127.0.0.1 wrote this:-

There are a number of reasons for exterminating bus laybys, from
widening a former narrow part of the pavement, through allowing the
driver to pull away as soon as everyone is off/on to making sure bus
and bus boarder align in order to make life easier for everyone

Incorrect, it makes life easier for the few people who drive buses and screws
up traffic for far more people.

Yawn. I'll add the words I typed back in, the words after,
"everyone". "but particularly those with mobility problems."

Nice try.


--
David Hansen, Edinburgh
I will *always* explain revoked encryption keys, unless RIP prevents me
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2000/00023--e.htm#54

In message , David Hansen
writes
I'll add the words I typed back in, the words after,
"everyone". "but particularly those with mobility problems."
The connection between mobility problems and stopping all traffic is?
Considering that the traffic island to which I referred is not a
crossing, why have the council decided to put it against an already
existing bus stop?
--
Clive