On Sat, 6 Dec 2008 00:14:03 +0000, Clive put finger to keyboard and
typed:

In message , David Hansen
writes
Los Angeles is a good example.

The second way works in the long term. Transfer some of the trips to
walking, cycling and public transport. One of the ways to do this is
to make buses more attractive. One of the ways of making buses more
attractive is by filling in laybys and installing better stops and
bus boarders in the space the layby used to take up. Not only does
it work but it is better for everyone, despite the whining of a
small but vocal minority.

Wake up, that idiot in the back. I have spent several weeks in both
New York and Los Angeles, both cities function perfectly well without
"real" public transport, thankfully only to the car. It is only the
rush hours that cause problems.

New York has a very good public transport system; one of the few US
cities that does. It's the only US city that I've visited where I
didn't need a car to get around.

Mark
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