http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=20938

Hallelujah! Phase 2b of the East London Line Extension, which will
link the existing line south of Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction via
the 'South London Line' railway has finally been given the full go-
ahead after an eon of prevarication, in part the result of squabbling
between the DfT and TfL/ the Mayor of London over funding. Whilst the
latest negotiations are almost certain to have had a political angle,
what with the different political hues of Boris and the government,
this is a saga that has been going on for a lot longer than the
current Mayor is likely to have known what ELLX phase 2b actually
meant (which should perhaps be borne in mind when it comes to handing
out the credit - but fair play to him in so far as he recognised the
importance of the project and pushed ahead with it).

The East London Line link to Clapham Jn will provide an abundance of
orbital journey possibilities.

Phase 2b is shown on this map in light blue (PDF):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa..._route_map.pdf

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...
http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=20938

Hallelujah! Phase 2b of the East London Line Extension, which will
link the existing line south of Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction via
the 'South London Line' railway has finally been given the full go-
ahead after an eon of prevarication, in part the result of squabbling
between the DfT and TfL/ the Mayor of London over funding. Whilst the
latest negotiations are almost certain to have had a political angle,
what with the different political hues of Boris and the government,
this is a saga that has been going on for a lot longer than the
current Mayor is likely to have known what ELLX phase 2b actually
meant (which should perhaps be borne in mind when it comes to handing
out the credit - but fair play to him in so far as he recognised the
importance of the project and pushed ahead with it).

The East London Line link to Clapham Jn will provide an abundance of
orbital journey possibilities.

Phase 2b is shown on this map in light blue (PDF):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa..._route_map.pdf

Funny, whilst on a trip today from Bromley via Clapham Jn, Willesden, Gospel
Oak and Barking (yes I am!) and back to Bromley, I wondered why they don't
switch the SL service from London Bridge at Wandsworth Road to Olympia (or
some sensible point along the WLL)? Solves DH problem and gives another way
of avoiding central London.

Really need to do something about the speed limits on the WLL though!

MaxB

On 12 Feb, 16:15, "Batman55" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=20938

Hallelujah! Phase 2b of the East London Line Extension, which will
link the existing line south of Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction via
the 'South London Line' railway has finally been given the full go-
ahead after an eon of prevarication, in part the result of squabbling
between the DfT and TfL/ the Mayor of London over funding. Whilst the
latest negotiations are almost certain to have had a political angle,
what with the different political hues of Boris and the government,
this is a saga that has been going on for a lot longer than the
current Mayor is likely to have known what ELLX phase 2b actually
meant (which should perhaps be borne in mind when it comes to handing
out the credit - but fair play to him in so far as he recognised the
importance of the project and pushed ahead with it).

The East London Line link to Clapham Jn will provide an abundance of
orbital journey possibilities.

Phase 2b is shown on this map in light blue (PDF):
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/downloa..._route_map.pdf

Funny, whilst on a trip today from Bromley via Clapham Jn, Willesden, Gospel
Oak and Barking (yes I am!) and back to Bromley, I wondered why they don't
switch the SL service from London Bridge at Wandsworth Road to Olympia (or
some sensible point along the WLL)? Solves DH problem and gives another way
of avoiding central London.

Er, that wouldn't actually solve anything I'm afraid to say - the SLL
service is being evicted from London Bridge and is essentially being
replaced by the ELLX to Clapham Jn plus by a possible new Victoria -
Peckham Rye - Bellingham service calling at all stations (except
Battersea Park).

It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth Road
straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia and the
rest. However this would miss out the massive interchange hub that is
Clapham Junction! I'm sure a direct service like this would be useful
to many people, but by heading for Clapham Jn the service will instead
be more useful to more people - those wanting to head up the WLL can
change at CJ for trains that go up that way. London Overground will
offer same or cross platform interchange at platforms 1&2, though
passengers who want Southern WLL trains will need to get over to
platform 16 on the other side of the station.


Really need to do something about the speed limits on the WLL though!

MaxB

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...


It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth Road
straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia and the
rest.

They should do that once or twice a day, at start or end of service, to get
a train from NXG to/from the WLL. Could allow half of that so called XC
'ghost bus' service to be binned...

Paul S

On 12 Feb, 19:05, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth Road
straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia and the
rest.

They should do that once or twice a day, at start or end of service, to get
a train from NXG to/from the WLL. *Could allow half of that so called XC
'ghost bus' service to be binned...


Yes, I suggested the same myself back in those 'ghost bus' threads!
The 'LO trackbasher's special', at especially inhospitable hours!

Mizter T wrote:
On 12 Feb, 19:05, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth
Road straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia
and the rest.

They should do that once or twice a day, at start or end of service,
to get a train from NXG to/from the WLL. Could allow half of that so
called XC 'ghost bus' service to be binned...


Yes, I suggested the same myself back in those 'ghost bus' threads!
The 'LO trackbasher's special', at especially inhospitable hours!

We could write to the DfT and earn a consutancy fee...

How about diverting those one of those Greenford shuttles from Paddington to
Kensington Olympia as well? Job done...

Paul S

On 12 Feb, 19:17, Mizter T wrote:
On 12 Feb, 19:05, "Paul Scott" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

It is physically possible for trains to go direct from Wandsworth Road
straight onto the WLL for West Brompton, Kensington Olympia and the
rest.

They should do that once or twice a day, at start or end of service, to get
a train from NXG to/from the WLL. *Could allow half of that so called XC
'ghost bus' service to be binned...

Yes, I suggested the same myself back in those 'ghost bus' threads!
The 'LO trackbasher's special', at especially inhospitable hours!

The DfT has actually announced that an Ealing Broadway Wandsworth
Road rail bus replacement rail replacement service (IYSWIM!) is going
to be part of the new Southern franchise. And what an awkward bugger
to run it's going to be, as one of Southern's Class 171 units will
have to be diverted to service it. See The Ticket Collector for the
saga, at: http://theticketcollector.wordpress.com

Specifically for the latest announcement:
http://theticketcollector.wordpress....ice-part-iii5/

Regards
Brian

"Mizter T" wrote in message
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On 12 Feb, 16:15, "Batman55" wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=20938

Snip

Funny, whilst on a trip today from Bromley via Clapham Jn, Willesden,
Gospel
Oak and Barking (yes I am!) and back to Bromley, I wondered why they
don't
switch the SL service from London Bridge at Wandsworth Road to Olympia
(or
some sensible point along the WLL)? Solves DH problem and gives another
way
of avoiding central London.

Er, that wouldn't actually solve anything I'm afraid to say - the SLL
service is being evicted from London Bridge and is essentially being
replaced by the ELLX to Clapham Jn plus by a possible new Victoria -
Peckham Rye - Bellingham service calling at all stations (except
Battersea Park).

This problem we keep hearing about with capacity at London Bridge, yet there
is at least a 2 platform space on the SW side of the station , now occupied
by cars. Not 12 cars maybe, but why cannot this be restored?

MaxB

Am Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:35:01 UTC, schrieb Mizter T
auf uk.railway :


http://www.london.gov.uk/view_press_...eleaseid=20938

Hallelujah! Phase 2b of the East London Line Extension, which will
link the existing line south of Surrey Quays to Clapham Junction via
the 'South London Line' railway has finally been given the full go-
ahead

in above linked statement I read "phase two of the East London Line,
which will complete the London Overground network and create an
orbital railway around the capital."

That would mean that the full orbital line is to be operated under
the "London Overground" brand and by LOROL, right?


Cheers,
L.W.


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On 13 Feb, 14:36, "Lüko Willms" wrote:
* That would mean that the full orbital line is to be operated under
the "London Overground" brand and by LOROL, right?

The North London Line and West London Line are already under London
Overground control. The East London Line will open in the next year-
ish (as a London Overground/LOROL service), and this new branch will
mean trains from the ELL run along the South London Line to meet the
West London Line at Clapham Junction.

There won't be proper orbital trains, as the ELL/SLL will be operated
separately from the other lines. You'll have to change at Clapham
Junction and Dalston, Canonbury or Highbury to do a full lap. Possibly
at Willesden Junction too.

U