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On Mar 15, 9:24*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Martin Petrov" wrote in message

...

will anything happen to them now? I can't see what COULD be done with
them, but are there any ambitious cunning ways to use them in the
offing?

Alternative terminating platform for Metropolitan line services?

There are two Met terminal platforms that are hardly used - do they still
use them for stabling between the peaks? Enough passengers want Liverpool
Street main line station, or offices east of Moorgate, that it would be daft
to terminate trains at Moorgate that could go on to Aldgate.
How will access to the Liverpool Street/Moorgate Crossrail station affect
Moorgate?

Peter

It is a pity that there is no practical use for the terminal platforms
at Moorgate. I remember them being seriously refurbished in the
1980s. But the former LMS and LNER connection will cease with the
Thameslink upgrade.

Aldgate is clearly a more passenger convenient location for turning LT
trains. Albeit, the location is cramped and operationally awkward.

Maybe TfL can learn from Network rail and put a small shopping mall in
the area currently occupied by the terminal platforms.

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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009 12:00:34 -0700 (PDT),
wrote:

On Mar 15, 9:24*am, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Martin Petrov" wrote in message

...

will anything happen to them now? I can't see what COULD be done with
them, but are there any ambitious cunning ways to use them in the
offing?

Alternative terminating platform for Metropolitan line services?

There are two Met terminal platforms that are hardly used - do they still
use them for stabling between the peaks? Enough passengers want Liverpool
Street main line station, or offices east of Moorgate, that it would be daft
to terminate trains at Moorgate that could go on to Aldgate.
How will access to the Liverpool Street/Moorgate Crossrail station affect
Moorgate?

Peter

It is a pity that there is no practical use for the terminal platforms
at Moorgate. I remember them being seriously refurbished in the
1980s. But the former LMS and LNER connection will cease with the
Thameslink upgrade.

Aldgate is clearly a more passenger convenient location for turning LT
trains. Albeit, the location is cramped and operationally awkward.

Which I think was the reason some trains terminated at Moorgate and
Kings Cross. Also Liverpool Street but that was because there was a
kickback holding track from the bay to hold the electric locomotives.

Maybe TfL can learn from Network rail and put a small shopping mall in
the area currently occupied by the terminal platforms.

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"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
...
wrote:

Aldgate is clearly a more passenger convenient location for turning LT
trains. Albeit, the location is cramped and operationally awkward.

These days Aldgate works on a one train in, one train out basis, which
(generally) works well and there is almost always a train at platform 2 or
platform 3. When there is a problem on the westbound, though, and a
departure is unable to leave, it can knock back on the eastbound, with
incoming trains unable to terminate. That's when Moorgate really comes
into its own, giving the ability to turn Mets (and sometimes Circles)
back - or, at worst, to refuge two of them in the bays.

What is going to happen with the FCC Thameslink bays at Moorgate once the
last train leaves, which I understand will be on 20 March.

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wrote

What is going to happen with the FCC Thameslink bays at Moorgate once the
last train leaves, which I understand will be on 20 March.

That's what most of this thread is about. They will remain available for
several months, but no passenger trains are likely to use them. After the
junction at Farringdon is severed, the consensus here is that there will
then be no rail use for them.

Peter

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Peter Masson wrote:
wrote

What is going to happen with the FCC Thameslink bays at Moorgate
once the last train leaves, which I understand will be on 20 March.

That's what most of this thread is about. They will remain available
for several months, but no passenger trains are likely to use them.
After the junction at Farringdon is severed, the consensus here is
that there will then be no rail use for them.

I like the shopping mall idea, as mentioned above! But they'll probably
just sit there derelict for years.

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On Mar 17, 11:30*pm, "Stephen O'Connell" wrote:
I like the shopping mall idea, as mentioned above! But they'll probably
just sit there derelict for years.

Probably end up like the spare bay at liverpool street - floored over
and turned into some sort of storage area. Dont be surprised if the
whole area is walled off with chipboard within a few months. I'm
curious as to why LU isn't looking into using them as sidings or an
extra line into moorgate for use when things go really pear shaped. A
connection from LU at farringdon would be pretty simple.

B2003

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"Stephen O'Connell" wrote:
Peter Masson wrote:
wrote

What is going to happen with the FCC Thameslink bays at Moorgate
once the last train leaves, which I understand will be on 20 March.

That's what most of this thread is about. They will remain available
for several months, but no passenger trains are likely to use them.
After the junction at Farringdon is severed, the consensus here is
that there will then be no rail use for them.

I like the shopping mall idea, as mentioned above! But they'll
probably
just sit there derelict for years.

They could be used for a Cr*ssr**l ticket office...:-P

--
Current nearest station: St Pauls

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"Rupert Candy" wrote in message
...
"Stephen O'Connell" wrote:
Peter Masson wrote:
wrote

What is going to happen with the FCC Thameslink bays at Moorgate
once the last train leaves, which I understand will be on 20 March.

That's what most of this thread is about. They will remain available
for several months, but no passenger trains are likely to use them.
After the junction at Farringdon is severed, the consensus here is
that there will then be no rail use for them.

I like the shopping mall idea, as mentioned above! But they'll
probably
just sit there derelict for years.


And the tracks between Moorgate and Farringdon? What is the junction called
at Farringdon anyway?

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wrote in message
...

And the tracks between Moorgate and Farringdon? What is the junction
called at Farringdon anyway?
They'll probably just lift the tracks as far as they need to to build the
southbound platform extension.

Not much of a surprise with the name though, it's 'Farringdon Junction'...

Paul

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On Wed, 18 Mar 2009 23:23:38 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

They'll probably just lift the tracks as far as they need to to build the
southbound platform extension.

Or just build it straight over the top without bothering.

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

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On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Stephen O'Connell wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:
wrote

What is going to happen with the FCC Thameslink bays at Moorgate
once the last train leaves, which I understand will be on 20 March.

That's what most of this thread is about. They will remain available
for several months, but no passenger trains are likely to use them.
After the junction at Farringdon is severed, the consensus here is
that there will then be no rail use for them.

I like the shopping mall idea, as mentioned above! But they'll probably
just sit there derelict for years.

The best idea i've come up with is to use them to extend the DLR from Bank
to Farringdon. I'm not entirely sure how you get from Farringdon to
Moorgate, though - might need to do a lap round Finsbury Circus to gain
enough altitude.

tom

--
In my view, this is no different than a parent introducing his child to
Shakespeare (except that the iambic pentameter is replaced by a framework
of profanity, misogyny, substance abuse, violence, retaliation, crime
and infidelity). -- Dad Gone Mad, on rap

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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Stephen O'Connell wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:
wrote

What is going to happen with the FCC Thameslink bays at Moorgate
once the last train leaves, which I understand will be on 20 March.

That's what most of this thread is about. They will remain available
for several months, but no passenger trains are likely to use them.
After the junction at Farringdon is severed, the consensus here is
that there will then be no rail use for them.

I like the shopping mall idea, as mentioned above! But they'll
probably just sit there derelict for years.

The best idea i've come up with is to use them to extend the DLR from
Bank to Farringdon. I'm not entirely sure how you get from Farringdon
to Moorgate, though - might need to do a lap round Finsbury Circus to
gain enough altitude.

I doubt there would be the funding made available for such a scheme,
even if the rquired tunnelling could be achieved.

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On Mar 21, 4:23*pm, "Stephen O'Connell" wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote:
On Tue, 17 Mar 2009, Stephen O'Connell wrote:

Peter Masson wrote:
wrote

What is going to happen with the FCC Thameslink bays at Moorgate
once the last train leaves, which I understand will be on 20 March.

That's what most of this thread is about. They will remain available
for several months, but no passenger trains are likely to use them.
After the junction at Farringdon is severed, the consensus here is
that there will then be no rail use for them.

I like the shopping mall idea, as mentioned above! But they'll
probably just sit there derelict for years.

The best idea i've come up with is to use them to extend the DLR from
Bank to Farringdon. I'm not entirely sure how you get from Farringdon
to Moorgate, though - might need to do a lap round Finsbury Circus to
gain enough altitude.

I doubt there would be the funding made available for such a scheme,
even if the rquired tunnelling could be achieved.

I can't see how such a DLR extension, which might have its own merits,
could make use of the Thameslink Moorgate platforms. It might as well
go to St Pancras at tube level.

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"Stephen O'Connell" wrote

The best idea i've come up with is to use them to extend the DLR from
Bank to Farringdon. I'm not entirely sure how you get from Farringdon
to Moorgate, though - might need to do a lap round Finsbury Circus to
gain enough altitude.

I doubt there would be the funding made available for such a scheme,
even if the rquired tunnelling could be achieved.

Isn't the long term wish list for the Bank branch of the DLR to extend it to
Charing Cross, perhaps terminating in the Jubilee Line platforms? I'm not
sure what if any intermediate stations would be included.

Peter

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On Mar 21, 4:31 pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Stephen O'Connell" wrote

The best idea i've come up with is to use them to extend the DLR from
Bank to Farringdon. I'm not entirely sure how you get from Farringdon
to Moorgate, though - might need to do a lap round Finsbury Circus to
gain enough altitude.

I doubt there would be the funding made available for such a scheme,
even if the rquired tunnelling could be achieved.

Isn't the long term wish list for the Bank branch of the DLR to extend it to
Charing Cross, perhaps terminating in the Jubilee Line platforms? I'm not
sure what if any intermediate stations would be included.

Peter

(Liverpool Street) / Moorgate / Barbican / Farringdon / (City)
pedestrian walkway / travolator link.

I don't think trying to incorporate the route into any exisitng rail
route or scheme makes any sense, it just does not fit, so use it for
passengers to get to other existing stations.

--
Nick

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wrote

(Liverpool Street) / Moorgate / Barbican / Farringdon / (City)
pedestrian walkway / travolator link.

I'm not sure that the benefits of this would be worthwhile, given the
presence of LUL and in future of Crossrail on this axis.

Peter

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On Mar 21, 4:31*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"Stephen O'Connell" wrote

The best idea i've come up with is to use them to extend the DLR from
Bank to Farringdon. I'm not entirely sure how you get from Farringdon
to Moorgate, though - might need to do a lap round Finsbury Circus to
gain enough altitude.

I doubt there would be the funding made available for such a scheme,
even if the rquired tunnelling could be achieved.

Isn't the long term wish list for the Bank branch of the DLR to extend it to
Charing Cross, perhaps terminating in the Jubilee Line platforms? I'm not
sure what if any intermediate stations would be included.

The Bank branch of the DLR points north, at least by the time it
reaches Bank.

I thought that the possbility was to leave Bank as it is, create a
replacement station for Tower Gateway on a straight section of the
existing tunnel, create a new branch towards Charing Cross where the
tunnel is still pointing west and close the existing Tower Gateway.

So Charing Cross would replace Tower Gateway as a terminus for some
services.

But that would make the recent expenditure on rebuilding Tower Gateway
rather extravagant.

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Paul Corfield wrote:

I'm not at all certain about what is planned but doesn't Farringdon
Crossrail station end up being "double ended" with Barbican? Would
the Crossrail construction for this take up part of the abandoned
Thameslink alignment thus rendering any use of it as sidings or
running track pointless?

I have a vague recollection that the Crossrail escalators at Barbican will
cut through the former Thameslink running lines.

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"Peter Masson" wrote ...
Isn't the long term wish list for the Bank branch of the DLR to extend it
to
Charing Cross, perhaps terminating in the Jubilee Line platforms? I'm not
sure what if any intermediate stations would be included.

Ludgate Circus (aka City Thameslink), and some say Aldwych - which is
conceivable (but very expensive) as a site, but not the current (closed)
station - wrong level, wrong axis, and simply adds to complications and
cost.


--

Andrew

"She plays the tuba.
It is the only instrument capable
of imitating a distress call."

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On Mar 21, 6:14*pm, "Andrew Heenan" wrote:
"Peter Masson" wrote ...

Isn't the long term wish list for the Bank branch of the DLR to extend it
to
Charing Cross, perhaps terminating in the Jubilee Line platforms? I'm not
sure what if any intermediate stations would be included.

Ludgate Circus (aka City Thameslink), and some say Aldwych - which is
conceivable (but very expensive) as a site, but not the current (closed)
station - wrong level, wrong axis, and simply adds to complications and
cost.

The key with Aldwych is that the Jubilee tunnels end there. So it's an
obvious place to go to hook up with the disused tunnels. And you'd
probably build a new station with two entrances: one at the top of the
existing Aldwych lift and the other using escalators into Temple
station.

So the DLR would run Shadwell - Tower - City Thameslink - Temple -
Charing Cross, with trains reversing west of the station on (probably
replacements of) the existing crossovers, like they do at Bank.

In the even longer term, you could imagine a cross-platform connection
with the Jubilee at Green Park, and a continuation either along
Knightsbridge and Kensington High Street to Hammersmith or to
Grosvenor Square, Marble Arch and Paddington (thence taking over the
H&C) -- but that's definitely pie in the sky and billions of pounds
away.

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On Mar 24, 11:40*am, wrote:

The key with Aldwych is that the Jubilee tunnels end there. So it's an
obvious place to go to hook up with the disused tunnels. And you'd
probably build a new station with two entrances: one at the top of the
existing Aldwych lift and the other using escalators into Temple
station.

So the DLR would run Shadwell - Tower - City Thameslink - Temple -
Charing Cross, with trains reversing west of the station on (probably
replacements of) the existing crossovers, like they do at Bank.

In the even longer term, you could imagine a cross-platform connection
with the Jubilee at Green Park, and a continuation either along
Knightsbridge and Kensington High Street to Hammersmith or to
Grosvenor Square, Marble Arch and Paddington (thence taking over the
H&C) -- but that's definitely pie in the sky and billions of pounds
away.


WOW! Way to go.