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(John B) wrote:

I also noticed a 321 in FCC livery at Hornsey this morning.

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Colin Rosenstiel

wrote:

I also noticed a 321 in FCC livery at Hornsey this morning.

The first one was finished a couple of weeks ago (321 404 IIRC), the
remainder of the small sub-batch for FCC should be following shortly.

It still seems a ridiculous solution to me, introducing another fleet for
Hornsey to maintain. Why all of the 321/4s are not being transferred to NXEA
in return for a handful of their 317s returning to FCC, where they would be
(relatively) common with the home fleet, still escapes me!

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Taylor) wrote:

wrote:

I also noticed a 321 in FCC livery at Hornsey this morning.

The first one was finished a couple of weeks ago (321 404 IIRC),
the remainder of the small sub-batch for FCC should be following
shortly.

It still seems a ridiculous solution to me, introducing another
fleet for Hornsey to maintain. Why all of the 321/4s are not being
transferred to NXEA in return for a handful of their 317s returning
to FCC, where they would be (relatively) common with the home
fleet, still escapes me!

Hear, hear! There has to be a reason why my spelling checker suggests
"Daft" when I write "DfT".

--
Colin Rosenstiel

"Jack Taylor" wrote in message
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wrote:

I also noticed a 321 in FCC livery at Hornsey this morning.

The first one was finished a couple of weeks ago (321 404 IIRC), the
remainder of the small sub-batch for FCC should be following shortly.

It was sat in the yard the other night on my way out to town tucked away on
a middle road

It still seems a ridiculous solution to me, introducing another fleet for
Hornsey to maintain. Why all of the 321/4s are not being transferred to
NXEA in return for a handful of their 317s returning to FCC, where they
would be (relatively) common with the home fleet, still escapes me!

Indeed - and us over at Liv St. We would love to see the back of the 317's
since they are in a state again thanks to NX. There are a couple of problems
though.

321's have never been passed to work to Enfield Town or Cheshunt via
Southbury AFAIK.

They would have to spend money on any new 321's for the Airport services -
and I don't know that there passed to work the airport anyway.

On 23 Mar, 15:40, "Q" ..@.. wrote:
"Jack Taylor" wrote in message

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wrote:

I also noticed a 321 in FCC livery at Hornsey this morning.

The first one was finished a couple of weeks ago (321 404 IIRC), the
remainder of the small sub-batch for FCC should be following shortly.

It was sat in the yard the other night on my way out to town tucked away on
a middle road

It still seems a ridiculous solution to me, introducing another fleet for
Hornsey to maintain. Why all of the 321/4s are not being transferred to
NXEA in return for a handful of their 317s returning to FCC, where they
would be (relatively) common with the home fleet, still escapes me!

Indeed - and us over at Liv St. We would love to see the back of the 317's
since they are in a state again thanks to NX. There are a couple of problems
though.

321's have never been passed to work to Enfield Town or Cheshunt via
Southbury AFAIK.

They would have to spend money on any new 321's for the Airport services -
and I don't know that there passed to work the airport anyway.

I'm sure that they are passed for Cheshunt via Southbury, as the
profile and equipment is the same as the Class 322 units built for the
Stansted Express. I'd also be surprised if they couldn't goto Enfield
Town, as 322s would have been surveyed for that route when they ran to
Stansted.

As FCC are only getting 10 class 321 units, I don't see why there
couldn't be a cascade of only 9-10 317s from NXEA, NXEA would still
have plenty of 317s if there are route clearance issues. Splitting the
321 fleet into so many bits seems short-sighted, but as it is DfT
involved, we shouldn't be surprised.

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321's have never been passed to work to Enfield Town or Cheshunt via
Southbury AFAIK.

I'm sure that they are passed for Cheshunt via Southbury, as the
profile and equipment is the same as the Class 322 units built for the
Stansted Express. I'd also be surprised if they couldn't goto Enfield
Town, as 322s would have been surveyed for that route when they ran to
Stansted.

Hmm good point. Before my commuting time where those units so I never saw
one out here. I can't think I've *ever* seen a 321 on 'our side' in the last
15 years+

As FCC are only getting 10 class 321 units, I don't see why there
couldn't be a cascade of only 9-10 317s from NXEA, NXEA would still
have plenty of 317s if there are route clearance issues. Splitting the
321 fleet into so many bits seems short-sighted, but as it is DfT
involved, we shouldn't be surprised.

I Don't know how many we have at the moment, I didn't think it was a lot but
I know it was split with FCC.

They could get rid of the 317/5's (Awful units) and the one off /7 they did
and keep the 6's

Aren't FCC in line to get the ex NLL 313's ? and I'm sure someone on here
said something about some more 315's coming our way (Although I don't know
who else has any)

On Mar 23, 6:46*pm, "Q" ..@.. wrote:
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321's have never been passed to work to Enfield Town or Cheshunt via
Southbury AFAIK.

I'm sure that they are passed for Cheshunt via Southbury, as the
profile and equipment is the same as the Class 322 units built for the
Stansted Express. I'd also be surprised if they couldn't goto Enfield
Town, as 322s would have been surveyed for that route when they ran to
Stansted.

Hmm good point. Before my commuting time where those units so I never saw
one out here. I can't think I've *ever* seen a 321 on 'our side' in the last
15 years+


Having checked my records, I had 321 362 from Broxbourne - Southbury -
Liverpool Street on 15/09/1990 and have had several other units on the
Cambridge - Seven Sisters - Liverpool Street route around the same
time.

As an aside, during the August 1991Network Day, I had a ride on 322
483 on the Clacton branch and we clipped the platform edge at (I
think) Wivenhoe. The steps on the 322 unitss were slightly different
to those on the 321s which had been cleared to Clacton already.

As FCC are only getting 10 class 321 units, I don't see why there
couldn't be a cascade of only 9-10 317s from NXEA, NXEA would still
have plenty of 317s if there are route clearance issues. Splitting the
321 fleet into so many bits seems short-sighted, but as it is DfT
involved, we shouldn't be surprised.

I Don't know how many we have at the moment, I didn't think it was a lot but
I know it was split with FCC.


NXEA have all the 317 5xx (15 units), 6xx (24 units), 7xx (9 units)
and 8xx (12 units) and FCC only have the remaining unconverted 317 3xx
(12 units). So maybe FCC should get more 321s and cascade their
remaining 317s to NXEA. I must say, I hadn't realised that FCC had so
few 317s left.

They could get rid of the 317/5's (Awful units) and the one off /7 they did
and keep the 6's

Of course, the 317/3, 317/5, /7 and /8 are all the same basic unit,
with different interiors.


Aren't FCC in line to get the ex NLL 313's ? and I'm sure someone on here
said something about some more 315's coming our way (Although I don't know
who else has any)

FCC should be getting most of the NLL 313s, but NXEA already have all
the 315s, since the Liverpool Street - Cambridge route went to them at
the franchise changeover.

remainder of the small sub-batch for FCC should be following shortly.

It still seems a ridiculous solution to me, introducing another fleet for
Hornsey to maintain. Why all of the 321/4s are not being transferred to
NXEA in return for a handful of their 317s returning to FCC, where they
would be (relatively) common with the home fleet, still escapes me!

As FCC are only getting 10 class 321 units, I don't see why there
couldn't be a cascade of only 9-10 317s from NXEA, NXEA would still
have plenty of 317s if there are route clearance issues. Splitting the
321 fleet into so many bits seems short-sighted, but as it is DfT
involved, we shouldn't be surprised.


Its even odder to me in that all 321 are Brush electrics and all 317
GEC - so there is an engineering reason for the 321 - NXEA - 317 -
FCC suggestion as well. Its just more hassle for Hornsey with fitter
training and familiarity, spare parts holdings, etc.

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Nick

wrote:

It still seems a ridiculous solution to me, introducing another
fleet for Hornsey to maintain. Why all of the 321/4s are not being
transferred to NXEA in return for a handful of their 317s
returning to FCC, where they would be (relatively) common with the
home fleet, still escapes me!

As FCC are only getting 10 class 321 units, I don't see why there
couldn't be a cascade of only 9-10 317s from NXEA, NXEA would still
have plenty of 317s if there are route clearance issues. Splitting
the 321 fleet into so many bits seems short-sighted, but as it is DfT
involved, we shouldn't be surprised.

Its even odder to me in that all 321 are Brush electrics and all 317
GEC - so there is an engineering reason for the 321 - NXEA - 317 -
FCC suggestion as well. Its just more hassle for Hornsey with fitter
training and familiarity, spare parts holdings, etc.

Which was exactly my original thinking. It seems mad, on so many levels.

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On 23 Mar, 15:40, "Q" ..@.. wrote:
"Jack Taylor" wrote in message

...

wrote:

I also noticed a 321 in FCC livery at Hornsey this morning.

The first one was finished a couple of weeks ago (321 404 IIRC), the
remainder of the small sub-batch for FCC should be following
shortly.

It was sat in the yard the other night on my way out to town tucked
away on a middle road

I saw it at Hornsey this morning. It's painted blue but still awaiting
First vinyls.

It still seems a ridiculous solution to me, introducing another
fleet for Hornsey to maintain. Why all of the 321/4s are not being
transferred to NXEA in return for a handful of their 317s
returning to FCC, where they would be (relatively) common with
the home fleet, still escapes me!

Indeed - and us over at Liv St. We would love to see the back of the
317's since they are in a state again thanks to NX. There are a
couple of problems though.

321's have never been passed to work to Enfield Town or Cheshunt
via Southbury AFAIK.

They were first introduced on those routes! The original destination
displays included Cambridge Parkway.

They would have to spend money on any new 321's for the Airport
services - and I don't know that there passed to work the airport
anyway.

I'm sure that they are passed for Cheshunt via Southbury, as the
profile and equipment is the same as the Class 322 units built for the
Stansted Express. I'd also be surprised if they couldn't goto Enfield
Town, as 322s would have been surveyed for that route when they ran to
Stansted.

As FCC are only getting 10 class 321 units, I don't see why there
couldn't be a cascade of only 9-10 317s from NXEA, NXEA would still
have plenty of 317s if there are route clearance issues. Splitting the
321 fleet into so many bits seems short-sighted, but as it is DfT
involved, we shouldn't be surprised.

ITYF that FCC are only getting 5 units. The trouble is that NXEA wouldn't
want to part with as many as 12 321s. i don;t think they are getting that
many from LM.

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Colin Rosenstiel