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Er, Hertford North maybe but certainly not Hertford East!

Oh Fcuk - geography error...

Almost bound to be limited to the Thameslink specific 8 or 12 car
fixed formation units, as they will be dual voltage, have high
acceleration, and have the ATO required for the core route between
StP and Blackfriars. Running any form of stock with different
performance, and especially without metro style doors, would wreck
the timetable.

So not the IEP half trains planned for Lynn?

Additionally to above IEP is inconceivable for gauging reasons too.
Thameslink is tight for 20m vehicles, IEP is to be 26m vehicles with
platform and structures alterations necessary nationwide...

Paul S

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(Mr Thant) wrote:

On Apr 6, 11:28*pm, wrote:
So not the IEP half trains planned for Lynn?

They don't have third-rail or ATO or high-capacity doors or any of the
other features required for the 24 tph Thameslink core.

I think a plausible scenario is:
- Cambridge/King's Lynn/Peterborough fasts: 5+5 car IEP to King'sCross
- Cambridge semi-fast/Welwyn stopping services: 12-car Thameslink
- Hertford Loop: High-frequency semi-segregated service to Moorgate

So no useful Cambridge-Gatwick services after all. :-(

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, at
16:54:11 on Mon, 6 Apr 2009, Mizter T remarked:
I think a plausible scenario is:
- Cambridge/King's Lynn/Peterborough fasts: 5+5 car IEP to King's
Cross
- Cambridge semi-fast/Welwyn stopping services: 12-car Thameslink

Which raises the really obvious point that some passengers from
Cambridge

and somewhere in there are Peterborough's existing FCC services. Only a
very few could be described as "fast", unless the "Peterborough fasts"
above are NXEC.

might opt for the Thameslink semi-fasts over the IEP fasts
if the Thameslink route gets them to where they need to be with less
fuss, and if time wise there's not much in it. Any such phenomenon
could become more apparent after Crossrail opens, what with the
interchange at Farringdon.

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Roland Perry

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In message , at 03:56:22
on Tue, 7 Apr 2009, remarked:
I think a plausible scenario is:
- Cambridge/King's Lynn/Peterborough fasts: 5+5 car IEP to King'sCross
- Cambridge semi-fast/Welwyn stopping services: 12-car Thameslink
- Hertford Loop: High-frequency semi-segregated service to Moorgate

So no useful Cambridge-Gatwick services after all. :-(

What's wrong with the semi-fasts? The Gatwick services are going to be
pretty slow from SPILL to Gatwick, so adding a few minutes north of
SPILL isn't the end of the world.
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In message , at 10:12:40 on Tue, 7
Apr 2009, John Rowland
remarked:
Why would anyone in Cambridge fly from Gatwick?

Because it serves a wide range of destinations not available from
Stansted, and it's preferable to Heathrow.
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Roland Perry

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In article ,
John Rowland wrote:
wrote:
In article
,
(Mr Thant) wrote:

On Apr 6, 11:28 pm, wrote:
So not the IEP half trains planned for Lynn?

They don't have third-rail or ATO or high-capacity doors or any of
the other features required for the 24 tph Thameslink core.

I think a plausible scenario is:
- Cambridge/King's Lynn/Peterborough fasts: 5+5 car IEP to
King'sCross
- Cambridge semi-fast/Welwyn stopping services: 12-car Thameslink
- Hertford Loop: High-frequency semi-segregated service to Moorgate

So no useful Cambridge-Gatwick services after all. :-(

Why would anyone in Cambridge fly from Gatwick?

Because it's less hassle to get to by train than Heathrow?

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On Apr 7, 10:12*am, "John Rowland"
wrote:

wrote:

In article
,
(Mr Thant) wrote:

[snip]

I think a plausible scenario is:
- Cambridge/King's Lynn/Peterborough fasts: 5+5 car IEP to
King'sCross
- Cambridge semi-fast/Welwyn stopping services: 12-car Thameslink
- Hertford Loop: High-frequency semi-segregated service to Moorgate

So no useful Cambridge-Gatwick services after all. :-(

Why would anyone in Cambridge fly from Gatwick?

Coz that is where the plane goes from.

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In article ,
Roland Perry wrote:
In message , at 03:56:22
on Tue, 7 Apr 2009, remarked:
I think a plausible scenario is:
- Cambridge/King's Lynn/Peterborough fasts: 5+5 car IEP to King'sCross
- Cambridge semi-fast/Welwyn stopping services: 12-car Thameslink
- Hertford Loop: High-frequency semi-segregated service to Moorgate

So no useful Cambridge-Gatwick services after all. :-(

What's wrong with the semi-fasts? The Gatwick services are going to be
pretty slow from SPILL to Gatwick, so adding a few minutes north of
SPILL isn't the end of the world.

That's what I figure. The semi-fasts still beat the next fast, so
having the fasts terminate at Kings Cross and sending the semi-fasts
and slows through Thameslink seems like a good compromise.

Whether we'll ever see trains from Cambride use SPILL in our lifetimes
is a different matter.

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In article , (Roland
Perry) wrote:

In message , at
03:56:22 on Tue, 7 Apr 2009, remarked:
I think a plausible scenario is:
- Cambridge/King's Lynn/Peterborough fasts: 5+5 car IEP to King's
Cross
- Cambridge semi-fast/Welwyn stopping services: 12-car Thameslink
- Hertford Loop: High-frequency semi-segregated service to Moorgate

So no useful Cambridge-Gatwick services after all. :-(

What's wrong with the semi-fasts? The Gatwick services are going
to be pretty slow from SPILL to Gatwick, so adding a few minutes
north of SPILL isn't the end of the world.

It's about 15 minutes so we will get to Gatwick considerably quicker via
Victoria, by the look of it.

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Colin Rosenstiel