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On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote:
The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and a lovely section about the canal in the second part. Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit wimpish really. Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill! tom [1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists. -- Re-enacting the future |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote: The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and a lovely section about the canal in the second part. Thanks. At the risk of being pedantic, the pictured MSF broadcasting array was about 100 miles away from the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington. |
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On 24 mai, 14:06, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote: The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and a lovely section about the canal in the second part. Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit wimpish really. Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill! tom [1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists. -- Re-enacting the future It seemed to me that more than half of the chaps had 4 speed derailier gear and one or two a double clanger. As it said , the station was Rugby, as were the vlf transmitters. The intriging thing was that a special train was laid on with special cycle cars and a buffet! It must have been very ancient days -- all those porters at Rugby! more than the entire WCML these days. |
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"John Rowland" wrote in message ... Tom Anderson wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote: The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and a lovely section about the canal in the second part. Thanks. At the risk of being pedantic, the pictured MSF broadcasting array was about 100 miles away from the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington. Indeed it is - I work there! Incidentally, the MSF signal is now broadcast from Anthorn, in Cumbria. Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the 750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work. -- MatSav |
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In article , MatSav
scribeth thus "John Rowland" wrote in message ... Tom Anderson wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote: The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and a lovely section about the canal in the second part. Thanks. At the risk of being pedantic, the pictured MSF broadcasting array was about 100 miles away from the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington. Indeed it is - I work there! Incidentally, the MSF signal is now broadcast from Anthorn, in Cumbria. Why's that down for maintenance so much?... Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the 750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work. I would too but I need to cart a load of spares and test equipment around all the time being on call most all of the week;!.. -- Tony Sayer |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message
... In article , MatSav scribeth thus Incidentally, the MSF signal is now broadcast from Anthorn, in Cumbria. Why's that down for maintenance so much?... The broadcasting is sub-contracted to BT. Tx Maintenance is their call, not NPL's, so I can't tell you why it's down so often. However, 72 hours in about 17,000 hours for scheduled mainenance (less than 0.5% of the available hours) doesn't seem excessive to me. -- MatSav |
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"MatSav" matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com wrote in message ... "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , MatSav scribeth thus Incidentally, the MSF signal is now broadcast from Anthorn, in Cumbria. Why's that down for maintenance so much?... The broadcasting is sub-contracted to BT... Correction - VT. -- MatSav |
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On 24 May, 14:25, "MatSav" matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot |
pipex | dot | com wrote: Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the 750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work. Why? are they a particularly poor paying employer? |
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"NM" wrote in message ... On 24 May, 14:25, "MatSav" matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com wrote: Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the 750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work. Why? are they a particularly poor paying employer? No. The availability of facilities for cyclists (such as showers and secure parking) and the location (on the edge of Bushy Park) make access by bike attractive. Plus, believe it or not, some people actually enjoy cycling. -- MatSav |
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On 24 May, 13:06, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote: The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there.... That's from a film that I've progected somewhere, long ago. The Go- Between? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and a lovely section about the canal in the second part. Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit wimpish really. Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill! tom [1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists. -- Re-enacting the future Thank you fot that; this must be one of the few BTF films that I've never seen. |
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On 24 May, 13:37, "John Rowland"
wrote: Thanks. At the risk of being pedantic, the pictured MSF broadcasting array was about 100 miles away from the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington. Just look at the size of the tuning coil needed for this very low frequency! http://www.subbrit.org.uk/sb-sites/s...o/index2.shtml |
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In article , MatSav
scribeth thus "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , MatSav scribeth thus Incidentally, the MSF signal is now broadcast from Anthorn, in Cumbria. Why's that down for maintenance so much?... The broadcasting is sub-contracted to BT. Shouldn't that be VT comms?.. Tx Maintenance is their call, not NPL's, so I can't tell you why it's down so often. However, 72 hours in about 17,000 hours for scheduled mainenance (less than 0.5% of the available hours) doesn't seem excessive to me. Well we're on NPL's mailing list and it seem to happen quite a lot.. Haven't actually counted the intervals but seems every couple of months.. -- Tony Sayer |
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"tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , MatSav scribeth thus "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , MatSav scribeth thus Incidentally, the MSF signal is now broadcast from Anthorn, in Cumbria. Why's that down for maintenance so much?... The broadcasting is sub-contracted to BT. Shouldn't that be VT comms?.. Later corrected in another post. It was BT until 2007. Tx Maintenance is their call, not NPL's, so I can't tell you why it's down so often. However, 72 hours in about 17,000 hours for scheduled mainenance (less than 0.5% of the available hours) doesn't seem excessive to me. Well we're on NPL's mailing list and it seem to happen quite a lot.. Haven't actually counted the intervals but seems every couple of months.. It is. The scheduled maintenance planner can be found at http://www.npl.co.uk/science-technol...es/msf-outages. -- MatSav |
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In article , MatSav
scribeth thus "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , MatSav scribeth thus "tony sayer" wrote in message ... In article , MatSav scribeth thus Incidentally, the MSF signal is now broadcast from Anthorn, in Cumbria. Why's that down for maintenance so much?... The broadcasting is sub-contracted to BT. Shouldn't that be VT comms?.. Later corrected in another post. It was BT until 2007. Tx Maintenance is their call, not NPL's, so I can't tell you why it's down so often. However, 72 hours in about 17,000 hours for scheduled mainenance (less than 0.5% of the available hours) doesn't seem excessive to me. Well we're on NPL's mailing list and it seem to happen quite a lot.. Haven't actually counted the intervals but seems every couple of months.. It is. The scheduled maintenance planner can be found at http://www.npl.co.uk/science-technol.../products-and- services/msf-outages. Around every three months then. What do they do with it?. Surely the TX chain is duplicated so perhaps they have to do something with the aerial system?... -- Tony Sayer |
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On Sun, 24 May 2009 09:55:06 -0700 (PDT),
wrote: Thank you fot that; this must be one of the few BTF films that I've never seen. The New York Central made a similar set of films. One of which used Barwick Green as the music which got played at completely inappropriate times - the other club members (Kingston Model Railroad Club, New York) couldn't understand why I kept bursting into laughter. |
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NM wrote:
On 24 May, 14:25, "MatSav" matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com wrote: Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the 750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work. Why? are they a particularly poor paying employer? have you walked near the NPL? if you do, the answer is fairly clear. roger -- www.rogermerriman.com Capital to Coast www.justgiving.com/rogermerriman |
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Having moved to the area in the mid 1980's I find it amazing that, apart
from the entrance to Rugby Midland station, very few of the scenes depicted are much different today. The shot of the cyclists leaving Railway Terrace in Rugby and turning into Clifton Road could have been filmed yesterday rather than 54 years ago. It was also most amusing to see so many cyclists obeying then (then) rule of no cycling on the canal towpath at Foxton locks. Bit different to nowadays where you take your life in your own hands when walking through a blind bridge hole. The other amazing thing is that the special train must have stood at Rugby platform 1 for a hell of a long time to get all those bikes off. "Sailor" wrote in message ... On 24 mai, 14:06, Tom Anderson wrote: On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote: The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and a lovely section about the canal in the second part. Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit wimpish really. Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill! tom [1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists. -- Re-enacting the future It seemed to me that more than half of the chaps had 4 speed derailier gear and one or two a double clanger. As it said , the station was Rugby, as were the vlf transmitters. The intriging thing was that a special train was laid on with special cycle cars and a buffet! It must have been very ancient days -- all those porters at Rugby! more than the entire WCML these days. |
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Tom Anderson said the following on 24/05/2009 13:06:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote: The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw So much better on Volume Two of the BFIs British Transport Collection, See Britain by Train! |
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On May 24, 5:24*pm, NM wrote: On 24 May, 14:25, "MatSav" matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com wrote: Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the 750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work. Why? are they a particularly poor paying employer? Are you a particularly dickheaded poster? |
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MatSav wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in message ... the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington. Indeed it is - I work there! Ah! I have an idea for how the NPL could use the spare bits in the MSF signal to improve the service... Do you think they might be up for that, or are they a Not-Invented-Here organisation? (I guess the answer to that should be emailed rather than, er, broadcast.) I'd give the NPL carte blanche to use my encoding free of charge, obviously, although any equipment manufacturers who wanted to decode the spare bits using my algorithm should have to pay me a royalty. Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the 750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work. So that's about 0.1 kilocycles. |
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John Rowland wrote:
MatSav wrote: "John Rowland" wrote in message ... the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington. Indeed it is - I work there! Ah! I have an idea for how the NPL could use the spare bits in the MSF signal to improve the service... Do you think they might be up for that, or are they a Not-Invented-Here organisation? (I guess the answer to that should be emailed rather than, er, broadcast.) I'd give the NPL carte blanche to use my encoding free of charge, obviously, although any equipment manufacturers who wanted to decode the spare bits using my algorithm should have to pay me a royalty. Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the 750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work. So that's about 0.1 kilocycles. Do you mean 100 Hz -- Tony Dragon |
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"Tony Dragon" wrote ...
John Rowland wrote: MatSav wrote: Ob Cycling: In a recent travel survey, something like 15% of the 750-strong workforce at NPL regularly cycle to work. So that's about 0.1 kilocycles. Do you mean 100 Hz On my math, up to 112.5 Hz - but if they cycle regularly, most will just feel Nmb |
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Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote: The past is like a foreign country they do things differently there.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyz5d3entBw Brilliant! Crossposted to uk.transport.london and uk.railway so they can enjoy it as well. Lovely shot of the aerials at the NPL around 3:50, and a lovely section about the canal in the second part. Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit wimpish really. Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill! Strange to think that some of the younger cyclists featured in the film, say around the age of 20, would now be in their mid-70s. |
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On 25/5/09 13:52, in article , "Tony Polson" wrote: Strange to think that some of the younger cyclists featured in the film, say around the age of 20, would now be in their mid-70s. I always think the same thing when watching old documentary film. To me, the '40s seems old, but the 50s seems recent. In the '50s the GPO introduced the new 'modern' 706 telephones. The railways were being modernised, Britain was starting to recover after the long years of war, and the decade started with the Festival of Britain which always seemed to me, though I'm too young to remember it, to be the start of the new Britain. When I was at school we used to have Wednesday afternoon film shows. After a short tome I found myself running these, and later programming them. There was a combination of films which I'd run every year or two; the first was a colour film, I can't remember the title, about the Festival of Britain, and I'd follow this with the Dennis Mitchell BBC production 'Morning in the Streets', from 1958. It was absolutely stunning to see the difference between the Festival, at the start of the decade, and the images of Liverpool, Stockport and Salford, depicted in 'Morning in the Streets', almost at the end of it. I'd not seen the film for many years, but last October while in Bradford for a few days I went to see Terence Davies' new film 'Of Time and the City' at the Pictureville. I saw the film again a week or so later, at a screening at the Phoenix Cinema, East Finchley, attended by Terence Davies. Some of the archive material he has used in his film was taken from 'Morning in the Streets', I recognised it at once, though the music which Terence Davies has used with it in 'Of time and the City' gives it a very different feel. The BBC have recently put the whole of 'Morning in the Streets' on their web site, it's not a very good copy, but it's still well worth watching. I wish the BBC would release the film on DVD, or even better , someone would donate me a nice 35mm print of it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/conte...tory_morning_o n_the_streets_feature.shtml The link to the film itself is just above the second picture. Recently, one of the schoolgirls seen in the film has been in contact with the BBC; she must be close to retirement age now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/conte...ce_morningonth estreets_feature.shtml Many people have never seen this film, the BBC seldom show it for some reason, but it's a real gem, and those that have seen it remember it, even decades later. Such an interesting period, the '50s. |
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On Mon, 25 May 2009 14:27:04 +0100, Stephen Furley
wrote: On 25/5/09 13:52, in article , "Tony Polson" wrote: Strange to think that some of the younger cyclists featured in the film, say around the age of 20, would now be in their mid-70s. I always think the same thing when watching old documentary film. To me, the '40s seems old, but the 50s seems recent. In the '50s the GPO introduced the new 'modern' 706 telephones. The railways were being modernised, Britain was starting to recover after the long years of war, and the decade started with the Festival of Britain which always seemed to me, though I'm too young to remember it, to be the start of the new Britain. I remember it. I was only four and my father took me. While most of it has gone from memory after all these years, there was the Post Office railway, a Britannia (William Shakespeare) in a special finish for the festival, the giant kaleidoscope in the Shot tower, the Skylon, the Dome of Discovery etc. The Britannia was extra special because we'd seen it a few days earlier from the allotment in the park between Harrow & Wealdstone and Kenton being pulled on its way there. My fading memory tells me it was in some kind of highly polished brown but nobody has been able to confirm this. Part of the festival was the amusement park at Battersea - with the Emmet Railway. I loved this. I think the amusements stayed there after the festival was over because we went there quite often. When I was at school we used to have Wednesday afternoon film shows. After a short tome I found myself running these, and later programming them. There was a combination of films which I'd run every year or two; the first was a colour film, I can't remember the title, about the Festival of Britain, and I'd follow this with the Dennis Mitchell BBC production 'Morning in the Streets', from 1958. It was absolutely stunning to see the difference between the Festival, at the start of the decade, and the images of Liverpool, Stockport and Salford, depicted in 'Morning in the Streets', almost at the end of it. I'd not seen the film for many years, but last October while in Bradford for a few days I went to see Terence Davies' new film 'Of Time and the City' at the Pictureville. I saw the film again a week or so later, at a screening at the Phoenix Cinema, East Finchley, attended by Terence Davies. Some of the archive material he has used in his film was taken from 'Morning in the Streets', I recognised it at once, though the music which Terence Davies has used with it in 'Of time and the City' gives it a very different feel. The BBC have recently put the whole of 'Morning in the Streets' on their web site, it's not a very good copy, but it's still well worth watching. I wish the BBC would release the film on DVD, or even better , someone would donate me a nice 35mm print of it. http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/conte...tory_morning_o n_the_streets_feature.shtml The link to the film itself is just above the second picture. Recently, one of the schoolgirls seen in the film has been in contact with the BBC; she must be close to retirement age now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/conte...ce_morningonth estreets_feature.shtml Many people have never seen this film, the BBC seldom show it for some reason, but it's a real gem, and those that have seen it remember it, even decades later. Such an interesting period, the '50s. |
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On 25/5/09 15:26, in article , "Stephen Furley" wrote: The original 1951 prints of most of the 3-D films shown at the 'Telekinema' still exist, and are screened from time to time, as the original three-channel stereo magnetic tracks are now 'lost'. Sorry, a few words somehow went missing; that should have read: The original 1951 prints of most of the 3-D films shown at the 'Telekinema' still exist, and are screened from time to time, though with only mono optical sound, as the original three-channel stereo magnetic tracks are now 'lost'. |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
I always think the same thing when watching old documentary film. To me, the '40s seems old, but the 50s seems recent... and the decade started with the Festival of Britain ... Part of the festival was the amusement park at Battersea - with the Emmet Railway. I loved this. I think the amusements stayed there after the festival was over because we went there quite often... Indeed they did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batters...ersea_fun_fair explains. I was there just a week before the collapse of the roller-coaster, and the very thought of that puts me off using one ever again. I was also at Lulworth Cove, Dorset, on a Geology field trip - just a week before a land slip killed a teacher and pupils (also on a field trip). I'm seeing a pattern :-( -- MatSav |
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Stephen Furley wrote: On 25/5/09 14:52, in article , "Christopher A. Lee" wrote: Part of the festival was the amusement park at Battersea - with the Emmet Railway. I loved this. I think the amusements stayed there after the festival was over because we went there quite often. I believe parts of this remained until quite recent times, maybe 15 years or so ago, though I never went there. Another television documentary film, 'The River's Tale', Had some scenes filmed there I seem to remember. There are still a few other remains of the Festival, One is the RT bus that was displayed at the Festival. It reappeared at the Millenium Dome. Anyone know where it is normally to be found these days? -- Graeme Wall This address not read, substitute trains for rail Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail |
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On May 24, 1:06 pm, Tom Anderson wrote:
On Sun, 24 May 2009, Marc wrote: snip Tom Anderson wrote: snip Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit wimpish really. Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill! tom [1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists. -- Re-enacting the future Unbelay that! Depsite a similarly unnecessary number of gears, I've been reduced to walking a couple of times too. Evidently I'm not made of cast-iron either. snif bookieb. |
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Christopher A. Lee wrote:
Part of the festival was the amusement park at Battersea - with the Emmet Railway. It was the Far Tottering and Oyster Creek Railway designed by Rowland Emett. Emett was so fed up of people mis-spelling his name that he no longer corrected people, nor cared, and many references therefore have it wrong. |
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MatSav wrote:
Indeed they did. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batters...ersea_fun_fair explains. I was there just a week before the collapse of the roller-coaster, and the very thought of that puts me off using one ever again. I was also at Lulworth Cove, Dorset, on a Geology field trip - just a week before a land slip killed a teacher and pupils (also on a field trip). I'm seeing a pattern :-( Would you be kind enough to post a list of your movements for the next ten years please. This is purely to give everyone else the chance to be somewhere different. :-) |
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Tom Anderson wrote
Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit wimpish really. Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill! [1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists. Surely even those who incline that way would regard a Sturmey-Archer four-speed as more advanced ? -- Mike D |
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"Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
Tom Anderson wrote Cyclists back then must have been made of cast iron. Nobody had anything more advanced than a Sturmey-Archer three-speed [1], and yet they still tackled open roads, hills, whatever. Makes my 27-speed setup seem a bit wimpish really. Belay that! In part two, they have to get off and push up a hill! [1] Some, of course, would deny that any such thing exists. Surely even those who incline that way would regard a Sturmey-Archer four-speed as more advanced ? More advanced, yes, but not in keeping with tradition. ;-) |
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"John Rowland" wrote in message ... MatSav wrote: "John Rowland" wrote in message ... the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington. Indeed it is - I work there! Ah! I have an idea for how the NPL could use the spare bits in the MSF signal to improve the service... Do you think they might be up for that, or are they a Not-Invented-Here organisation? (I guess the answer to that should be emailed rather than, er, broadcast.) With apologies for having missed your suggestion - NPL are a Government-Owned, Company-Operated business - so I suspect they'd welcome an opportunity to increase their profit. However, there are constraints on what can be broadcast in particulat parts of the spectrum - and I think the MSF frequency is prescribed by statute, so it can't carry anything else. But I could be wrong, of course. Try e-mailing them directly - contact details available from their web site, http://www.npl.co.uk/time -- MatSav |
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On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:52:33 +0100, "MatSav" matthew | dot | savage |
at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com wrote: "John Rowland" wrote in message ... MatSav wrote: "John Rowland" wrote in message ... the NPL which was, and is, in Teddington. Indeed it is - I work there! Ah! I have an idea for how the NPL could use the spare bits in the MSF signal to improve the service... Do you think they might be up for that, or are they a Not-Invented-Here organisation? (I guess the answer to that should be emailed rather than, er, broadcast.) With apologies for having missed your suggestion - NPL are a Government-Owned, Company-Operated business - so I suspect they'd welcome an opportunity to increase their profit. However, there are constraints on what can be broadcast in particulat parts of the spectrum - and I think the MSF frequency is prescribed by statute, so it can't carry anything else. But I could be wrong, of course. Try e-mailing them directly - contact details available from their web site, http://www.npl.co.uk/time the coding is described in :- http://www.npl.co.uk/upload/pdf/MSF_Time_Date_Code.pdf If I'm reading various bits of info correctly the standard used by MSF (UK) and DCF (DE) is an AFNOR (Association Française de Normalisation)/ISO standard derived from an IRIG (Inter-Range Instrumentation Group (USA) ) standard originally used for rocket range testing purposes. It looks like there might now also be some ITU involvement :- http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/oth...040001MSWE.doc The MSF frequency IMU will be set by international agreement along with other radio frequency allocations. |
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On Jun 8, 11:35*pm, Charles Ellson wrote: On Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:52:33 +0100, "MatSav" matthew | dot | savage | at | dsl | dot | pipex | dot | com wrote: "John Rowland" wrote: [snip] Ah! I have an idea for how the NPL could use the spare bits in the MSF signal to improve the service... Do you think they might be up for that, or are they a Not-Invented-Here organisation? (I guess the answer to that should be emailed rather than, er, broadcast.) With apologies for having missed your suggestion - NPL are a Government-Owned, Company-Operated business - so I suspect they'd welcome an opportunity to increase their profit. However, there are constraints on what can be broadcast in particulat parts of the spectrum - and I think the MSF frequency is prescribed by statute, so it can't carry anything else. But I could be wrong, of course. Try e-mailing them directly - contact details available from their web site,http://www.npl.co.uk/time the coding is described in :- http://www.npl.co.uk/upload/pdf/MSF_Time_Date_Code.pdf If I'm reading various bits of info correctly the standard used by MSF (UK) and DCF (DE) is an AFNOR (Association Française de Normalisation)/ISO standard derived from an IRIG (Inter-Range Instrumentation Group (USA) ) standard originally used for rocket range testing purposes. It looks like there might now also be some ITU involvement : -http://www.itu.int/dms_pub/itu-r/oth/0A/08/R0A080000040001MSWE.doc After I read the above, the old Motown lyrics raced through my mind... "War, what is it good for..." The MSF frequency IMU will be set by international agreement along with other radio frequency allocations. |
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