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Smelly, slow and uninformative. Thanks to Walthamstow central being
closed, the "helpful" person at the gate (who barely spoke any English), told me to get a bus to Leyton (Should have walked to balckhorse road). Got on, you get the dreggs of the earth on them, theres no information, no route maps on the bus telling you where you are, they are constantly caught up in traffic (mainly other busses pulling into and out of stops), and I got into work half an hour late. I'm unimpressed. Solution 1) Ban smelly people with things living in their hair 2) Each bus should have a route map like on the tube, so you can see where you've been, where you are, and where you're going, complete with interchanges onto the much superior underground and national rail 3) There should be announcments for each stop (whether the bus stops there or not) |
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Paul Weaver wrote:
Smelly, slow and uninformative. Thanks to Walthamstow central being closed, the "helpful" person at the gate (who barely spoke any English), told me to get a bus to Leyton (Should have walked to balckhorse road). Got on, you get the dreggs of the earth on them, theres no information, no route maps on the bus telling you where you are, they are constantly caught up in traffic (mainly other busses pulling into and out of stops), and I got into work half an hour late. I'm unimpressed. Solution 1) Ban smelly people with things living in their hair 2) Each bus should have a route map like on the tube, so you can see where you've been, where you are, and where you're going, complete with interchanges onto the much superior underground and national rail 3) There should be announcments for each stop (whether the bus stops there or not) 4) Ban people who can't spell buses. The RV1 route in central London has (2) and (3). -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:54 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: 4) Ban people who can't spell buses. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=buses bus n. pl. bus·es or bus·ses [snip] It's not the OED I know, but is accepted. Cheers, Jason. |
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"Jason" wrote in message
... 1. Got the WAGN train to St James Streeet, and then walked to Blackhorse Road. 2. Got the WAGN train to Liverpool Sreeet, and then continued via Underground from there. No, the station was closed, including wagn. 3. Got the Silverlink train from Walthamstow Queens Road to Blackhorse Road. It's a long walk of many, many yards, and I didnt know how often the train was. Also being really early in the morning I was confused and forgot my fallback "fallback plan" (the main one is WAGN) Getting on a bus after an Underground station closure is rarely an efficient way out of the mess. Luckily for people in Walthamstow it is not the only option. Its what the underground staff were saying to do though. Also from what I remember of driving arround when I moved here, Leyton wasn't *that* far away, and is on the central line (where I wanted), and I didn't think it would take as long as it did Got on, you get the dreggs of the earth on them, Are you sure this wasn't just the fact of being in Leyton? ;-) :D theres no information, no route maps on the bus telling you where you are, they are constantly caught up in traffic (mainly other busses pulling into and out of stops), and I got into work half an hour late. Perhaps if you had an alternative plan in case of such an event, you might have found the journey easier. Yeah, but remembering to use that plan when you're really groggy and havent had a cup of coffee is another story I'm unimpressed. Not much we can do about that. Claim your refund at http://tube.tfl.gov.uk/charter/ Heh. At least they arent striking (yet) |
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"Jason" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:54 GMT, "Richard J." wrote: 4) Ban people who can't spell buses. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=buses bus n. pl. bus·es or bus·ses [snip] It's not the OED I know, but is accepted. Alright, then - ban people who can't spell dregs (dreggs) or announcements (announcments) instead! ;-) |
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Jason wrote:
On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:54 GMT, "Richard J." wrote: 4) Ban people who can't spell buses. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=buses bus n. pl. bus·es or bus·ses [snip] It's not the OED I know, but is accepted. Accepted in the US, maybe. The site uses American dictionaries and is based in Los Angeles, so it's not surprising that it includes the American variant spelling "busses". The plural of "bus" in British English is always "buses". (Source: New Oxford Dictionary of English, 2001) -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:41:48 +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
Having informed the office and managed expectations the alternative journey is less stressful because people know I'm trying to get in but will be late. Of course the poor bloke at the end of the 12 hour shift that has to stay on to cover you wont be very happy Solution 1) Ban smelly people with things living in their hair I'm assuming you aren't being serious. Well perhaps a little bit. 2) Each bus should have a route map like on the tube, so you can see where you've been, where you are, and where you're going, complete with interchanges onto the much superior underground and national rail Do you just mean the route that you are on at the time or more something akin to the local bus network. Both, like the tube has the line plan and a central London plan. train! My personal recommendation is to deliberately vary your trip and use the buses just to get familiar with where they run etc. Aside from this morning, last time I used a bus was from Sloane Square over Battersea Bridge when I was B&B'ing for a couple of nights. Got on the right bus, but in the wrong direction and ended up in shepherds bush or something! Busses are so slow it's depressing though. I know it sounds a bit daft but I only really began to fit London together as a City when I forced myself to use buses between places instead of always using the Tube. I dont care much about London as a city, I know where I live, where the pizza place/pub/chippie/asda is, where I work, and where the nearest shopping center to work is. Anything else is boring. London is not a nice place to live, I don't wish to know it. 3) There should be announcments for each stop (whether the bus stops there or not) Mixed view on that one. I dislike a lot of recorded messages about "door closing" etc on buses. It could also get very annoying for the bus driver listening to it all day while trying to drive his or her bus. I Aww, well poor them. OK They dont get the £30k+ that tube drivers get, but they stil get paid to do a job. Do you really think that people dont get tired of selling the evening standard? Perhaps an LED screen saying the next stop would do. |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:54 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: The RV1 route in central London has (2) and (3). (3) could easily be provided on all buses, as it is in Europe, by fitting hands-free PA and making it legal for drivers to use it (as I believe in some cases it is not). Announcement of stops is a cheap, easy thing to do, and provides a massive service improvement to those who don't know where they are. Neil -- Neil Williams is a valid email address, but is sent to /dev/null. Try my first name at the above domain instead if you want to e-mail me. |
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"Neil Williams" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:54 GMT, "Richard J." wrote: The RV1 route in central London has (2) and (3). (3) could easily be provided on all buses, as it is in Europe, by fitting hands-free PA and making it legal for drivers to use it (as I believe in some cases it is not). Announcement of stops is a cheap, easy thing to do, and provides a massive service improvement to those who don't know where they are. On the streetcars here in Toronto, the driver announces each stop well before it's reached but the road system is so simple it's nearly impossible to get lost. I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus routes; there are many stops that wouldn't be easy to name. Stops at well known places; stations, large shops, pubs and cinemas for sure, but what about all the stops in not very memorable places? Kat in Downtown Toronto |
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1) Ban smelly people with things living in their hair 2) Each bus should have a route map like on the tube, so you can see where you've been, where you are, and where you're going, complete with interchanges onto the much superior underground and national rail 3) There should be announcments for each stop (whether the bus stops there or not) As someone with visual impairment, I wholeheartedly agree with 2 and 3. This should apply not only to London buses but buses everywhere. There's nothing worse than travelling through an area you don't know and not being able to read street names or read road signs to find out where you are and when to press the bell. It's even worse at night or if the windows are steamed up. If busses were run more like trains and trams, with clear route maps, well defined (and named) stops and announcements, I'd actually be able to use them on my own, something which I cannot easily do at present unless I'm very familiar with the area. -- Spyke Address is valid, but messages are treated as junk. The opinions I express do not necessarily reflect those of the educational institution from which I post. |
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In message , Spyke
writes As someone with visual impairment, I wholeheartedly agree with 2 and 3. This should apply not only to London buses but buses everywhere. There's nothing worse than travelling through an area you don't know and not being able to read street names or read road signs to find out where you are and when to press the bell. It's even worse at night or if the windows are steamed up. If busses were run more like trains and trams, with clear route maps, well defined (and named) stops and announcements, I'd actually be able to use them on my own, something which I cannot easily do at present unless I'm very familiar with the area. Oops, I'm not sure I can get away with using both variants of the plural, especially since Oxford University Press is right outside my window. :-) -- Spyke Address is valid, but messages are treated as junk. The opinions I express do not necessarily reflect those of the educational institution from which I post. |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 16:36:23 -0400, "Janice"
wrote: I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus routes; there are many stops that wouldn't be easy to name. Stops at well known places; stations, large shops, pubs and cinemas for sure, but what about all the stops in not very memorable places? The German practice is to name all stops, either after the road they're on or a nearby landmark. This name is then clearly publicised on maps, timetables, announcements, stop flags and shelters etc. Very helpful - and to save stressing you can note the name of the one or two before the one you require and be listening out for that. Neil -- Neil Williams is a valid email address, but is sent to /dev/null. Try my first name at the above domain instead if you want to e-mail me. |
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Kat wrote...
I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus routes; there are many stops that wouldn't be easy to name. Stops at well known places; stations, large shops, pubs and cinemas for sure, but what about all the stops in not very memorable places? Every bus stop has a name written on it. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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In article , Kat wrote:
"John Rowland" wrote in message ... Every bus stop has a name written on it. Even request stops? Even request stops. Niklas -- "IMO, the primary historical significance of Unix is that it marks the time in computer history where CPUs became so cheap that it was possible to build an operating system without adult supervision." -- Russ Holsclaw in a.f.c |
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In article , Kat wrote:
"Niklas Karlsson" wrote in message ... In article , Kat wrote: "John Rowland" wrote in message ... Every bus stop has a name written on it. Even request stops? Even request stops. Ok... Can you give me an example; are they useful names to anyone who might not know the area? I'm thinking of bus routes outside central London. Heath Road Grove Avenue (Twickenham, at the crossing of said streets) Bedfont Lakes Business Park (Feltham) Niklas -- "As there are more accidents in the home than outside, a thoroughly risk averse person will live in a tent on their front lawn." -- Meldrew of Meldreth |
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"Niklas Karlsson" wrote in message ... In article , Kat wrote: "John Rowland" wrote in message ... Every bus stop has a name written on it. Even request stops? Even request stops. Ok... Can you give me an example; are they useful names to anyone who might not know the area? I'm thinking of bus routes outside central London. If you go to http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/borough.shtml and look at one of the spider maps, you will see all the stops in a particular area. Where a bus route has a number of stops along the same main road, a stop on the map such as "Leytonstone High Road / Michael Road" would appear on the bus stop as just "Michael Road". Are they useful to anyone who might not know the area? Yes, because they identify the stop, and enable clear directions to be given to visitors. Also, they are referred to on the TfL Journey Planner's route details and maps, and the spider maps are posted at main bus stops. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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(Richard J.) wrote: Jason wrote: On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 10:35:54 GMT, "Richard J." wrote: 4) Ban people who can't spell buses. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=buses bus n. pl. bus·es or bus·ses [snip] It's not the OED I know, but is accepted. Accepted in the US, maybe. The site uses American dictionaries and is based in Los Angeles, so it's not surprising that it includes the American variant spelling "busses". The plural of "bus" in British English is always "buses". (Source: New Oxford Dictionary of English, 2001) Given that the derivation of "bus" is as an abbreviation of "omnibus", I should b* well hope so. -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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"John Rowland" wrote in message ... Kat wrote... I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus routes; there are many stops that wouldn't be easy to name. Stops at well known places; stations, large shops, pubs and cinemas for sure, but what about all the stops in not very memorable places? Every bus stop has a name written on it. Even request stops? -- Kat in Downtown Toronto |
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On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 18:17:26 -0700, Kat wrote:
Ok... Can you give me an example; are they useful names to anyone who might not know the area? I'm thinking of bus routes outside central London. Irrelevant, when you look out of the window and see a stop sign, you should be able to match it up with a map of the route, and a map of the bus network Personally I don't use the buses because they don't tell me where I am or where I'm going to. Obviously a handy underground-style map is near-impossible to print out in detail (although perhaps a small book might work?), however some information about the route, the connecting routes, and especially the underground/NR stations, would make a lot more people use the buses IMHO Times on the routes would be good too - time from each stop to the next one like many underground stations. Obviously that's hard because of the variable traffic situation, however banning cars from inside the M25 area (free parking at key points outside the M25 to compensate), with exceptions for exceptional circumstances like house movements, would solve that. London has (should have) a good enough public transit to cope, unlike most UK towns and cities. |
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"Niklas Karlsson" wrote in message ... In article , Kat wrote: "John Rowland" wrote in message ... Every bus stop has a name written on it. Even request stops? Even request stops. Ok... Can you give me an example; are they useful names to anyone who might not know the area? I'm thinking of bus routes outside central London. -- Kat in Downtown Toronto |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:46:00 +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
Given that the derivation of "bus" is as an abbreviation of "omnibus", I should b* well hope so. Out of interest how to spelling-nazis spell the park named after St. James? |
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Kat wrote:
"Richard J." wrote in message ... If you go to http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/borough.shtml and look at one of the spider maps, you will see all the stops in a particular area. Where a bus route has a number of stops along the same main road, a stop on the map such as "Leytonstone High Road / Michael Road" would appear on the bus stop as just "Michael Road". Are they useful to anyone who might not know the area? Yes, because they identify the stop, and enable clear directions to be given to visitors. Also, they are referred to on the TfL Journey Planner's route details and maps, and the spider maps are posted at main bus stops. Thanks for the information but are you sure about the request stops? I was looking at the routes of the 251 and 250 (from the Waltham Cross maps) and there are some stops between Waltham Cross and Upshire/Debden missing. The main stops are shown but not request stops. Those routes are in the white area of the map in which only main stops are shown. All stops are shown in the yellow-shaded area, but that is rather small on that particular map, because they only cover Greater London in that level of detail. (Waltham Cross is in Hertfordshire.) -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Paul Weaver wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:46:00 +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: Given that the derivation of "bus" is as an abbreviation of "omnibus", I should b* well hope so. Out of interest how to spelling-nazis spell the park named after St. James? Phrase that in a less offensive way and you might get an answer. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ... If you go to http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/borough.shtml and look at one of the spider maps, you will see all the stops in a particular area. Where a bus route has a number of stops along the same main road, a stop on the map such as "Leytonstone High Road / Michael Road" would appear on the bus stop as just "Michael Road". Are they useful to anyone who might not know the area? Yes, because they identify the stop, and enable clear directions to be given to visitors. Also, they are referred to on the TfL Journey Planner's route details and maps, and the spider maps are posted at main bus stops. Thanks for the information but are you sure about the request stops? I was looking at the routes of the 251 and 250 (from the Waltham Cross maps) and there are some stops between Waltham Cross and Upshire/Debden missing. The main stops are shown but not request stops. -- Kat in Downtown Toronto |
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"John Rowland" wrote in
: Every bus stop has a name written on it. But it is not always the same as the name on the bus maps or front of buses. And sometimes there are multiple stops with the same name. For example I wanted to get off at the bus stop on 484 called "Pepys Eoad" on a spider map. When I got there found it was called "Kitto Road". The stop that has historically been called "Dulwich Plough" after the pub that was long called the Plough is marked on bus stops as that. But as the termination point of the 40 routes it is "Dulwich Library". |
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"John Rowland" wrote in message ... Kat wrote... I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus routes; there are many stops that wouldn't be easy to name. Stops at well known places; stations, large shops, pubs and cinemas for sure, but what about all the stops in not very memorable places? Every bus stop has a name written on it. Even request stops? They all have names, but many are meaningless, even to locals. Holyrood Gardens makes some sort of sense. Oak Gardens does not. Oak Gardens is the name of the stop on Stag Lane nearest to the crossroads at Burnt Oak. It is a mandatory stop serving 3 routes and shown as such on the spider maps. Shame people can't all read or speak English, let alone know some trivial cul-de-sac near a relatively major intersection. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Niklas Karlsson" wrote in message ... In article , Kat wrote: "John Rowland" wrote in message ... Every bus stop has a name written on it. Even request stops? Even request stops. Ok... Can you give me an example; As above. are they useful names to anyone who might not know the area? No I'm thinking of bus routes outside central London. -- Helen D. Vecht: Edgware. |
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"Richard J." wrote in message ... Kat wrote: "Richard J." wrote in message ... If you go to http://www.tfl.gov.uk/buses/spiders/borough.shtml and look at one of the spider maps, you will see all the stops in a particular area. Where a bus route has a number of stops along the same main road, a stop on the map such as "Leytonstone High Road / Michael Road" would appear on the bus stop as just "Michael Road". Are they useful to anyone who might not know the area? Yes, because they identify the stop, and enable clear directions to be given to visitors. Also, they are referred to on the TfL Journey Planner's route details and maps, and the spider maps are posted at main bus stops. Thanks for the information but are you sure about the request stops? I was looking at the routes of the 251 and 250 (from the Waltham Cross maps) and there are some stops between Waltham Cross and Upshire/Debden missing. The main stops are shown but not request stops. Those routes are in the white area of the map in which only main stops are shown. All stops are shown in the yellow-shaded area, but that is rather small on that particular map, because they only cover Greater London in that level of detail. (Waltham Cross is in Hertfordshire.) Good, I'm glad to see they haven't redrawn the county boundaries during my absence.... Nevertheless, it's damn-all use knowing the name of the request-stop if the bus is going to sail by it before you have chance to read its name (even supposing it's big enough to read from a moving bus.) And, I don't suppose, in these days of flat rate fares, travel-cards and OPO buses, that passengers ask the driver to tell them when they get to the stop they want much anymore. I'm partly in agreement (now) with whoever said that bus-stops should be announced; I think it might be a Good Idea if the driver announced the names of upcoming request-stops at least. -- Kat in Downtown Toronto |
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"Andrew Black" wrote in message ... "John Rowland" wrote in : Every bus stop has a name written on it. But it is not always the same as the name on the bus maps or front of buses. And sometimes there are multiple stops with the same name. I think those stops are given a letter too. For example I wanted to get off at the bus stop on 484 called "Pepys Eoad" on a spider map. When I got there found it was called "Kitto Road". The stop that has historically been called "Dulwich Plough" after the pub that was long called the Plough is marked on bus stops as that. But as the termination point of the 40 routes it is "Dulwich Library". I thought it all sounded too good to be true.... -- Kat in Downtown Toronto |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:11:02 +0100, Paul Weaver
wrote: Personally I don't use the buses because they don't tell me where I am or where I'm going to. Obviously a handy underground-style map is near-impossible to print out in detail (although perhaps a small book might work?), however some information about the route, the connecting routes, and especially the underground/NR stations, would make a lot more people use the buses IMHO Like the bound-booklet Walthamstow Guide that is (was?) available? (And guides for every other part of London - although haven't seen one and haven't been looking for while.) Part-sponsored by Time Out, they list local attractiions, tube, bus and rail routes in detail and show connecting services. Times on the routes would be good too - time from each stop to the next one like many underground stations. Obviously that's hard because of the Yep, in the booklet above. Cheers, Jason. |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:39:37 GMT, "Richard J."
wrote: Paul Weaver wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:46:00 +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: Given that the derivation of "bus" is as an abbreviation of "omnibus", I should b* well hope so. Out of interest how to spelling-nazis spell the park named after St. James? Phrase that in a less offensive way and you might get an answer. It might be a reference to popular cultu the "Seinfeld" series had a "soup-nazi" in it who was rude and dogmatic. (This may not have been the first use.) I know of many people who refer to such-and-such--nazis and no-one takes offence. Cheers, Jason. |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:23:01 +0100, Paul Weaver
wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:46:00 +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: Given that the derivation of "bus" is as an abbreviation of "omnibus", I should b* well hope so. Out of interest how to spelling-nazis spell the park named after St. James? On-topic and back to Walthamstow I see. ;-) There is St James's Street with St James Street Station on it, and St James's Park nearby. Cheers, Jason. |
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Jason wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 01:39:37 GMT, "Richard J." wrote: Paul Weaver wrote: On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 00:46:00 +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote: Given that the derivation of "bus" is as an abbreviation of "omnibus", I should b* well hope so. Out of interest how to spelling-nazis spell the park named after St. James? Phrase that in a less offensive way and you might get an answer. It might be a reference to popular cultu the "Seinfeld" series had a "soup-nazi" in it who was rude and dogmatic. (This may not have been the first use.) I know of many people who refer to such-and-such--nazis and no-one takes offence. Maybe it's because my early years were dominated by the Second World War, but any use of the word nazi for relatively trivial rudeness and dogma does a disservice IMO to those who fought and died to rid the world of the horrors of the true Nazis. Anyway, it's St. James's Park. Since James is singular, the plural form James' is incorrect, though LU manage to use it on just one of the platform signs. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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In message , John Rowland
writes Kat wrote... I'm not so sure it would particularly easy on London bus routes; there are many stops that wouldn't be easy to name. Stops at well known places; stations, large shops, pubs and cinemas for sure, but what about all the stops in not very memorable places? Every bus stop has a name written on it. Trouble is, bus stops on opposite sides of the road often have different names. For instance, a local stop for eastbound services (routes 33, 337, etc) is named Queen's Road after the adjacent side road. But the stop opposite, for westbound services, is named Gilpin Avenue after the adjacent turning on that side of the main road. The spider map gives only Queens Road, whatever the direction of travel - very confusing for westbound passengers looking at bus-stop names! -- Paul Terry |
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"Jason" wrote in message
... On Wed, 22 Oct 2003 02:11:02 +0100, Paul Weaver wrote: Personally I don't use the buses because they don't tell me where I am or where I'm going to. Obviously a handy underground-style map is near-impossible to print out in detail (although perhaps a small book might work?), however some information about the route, the connecting routes, and especially the underground/NR stations, would make a lot more people use the buses IMHO Like the bound-booklet Walthamstow Guide that is available? Speaking of Walthamstow, the Central Library has a copy of the amazingly comprehensive Berlin public transport guide from a few years ago. It blows the socks off the Time Out area guides. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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On 22 Oct 2003 06:06:49 GMT, Andrew Black wrote:
But it is not always the same as the name on the bus maps or front of buses. And sometimes there are multiple stops with the same name. IMO, there should be - a group of stops together should share the same name and have "platform numbers" and clearly-defined interchange - just like trains. Recently, I was pleased to note that Merseytravel has put large (i.e. visible from a fair distance) "platform numbers" on the stops at Old Roan. This is helpful if you don't know which "platform" to go to, but equally it is clear where you need to change if the name of the overall "station" is the same. Neil -- Neil Williams is a valid email address, but is sent to /dev/null. Try my first name at the above domain instead if you want to e-mail me. |
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