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Wandsworth Town station gateline
I don't know why they couldn't have foreseen it, but when I saw those
four gates being installed at Wandsworth town a week or two ago I knew that could never be enough. They're been put into use today and it's just causing so many problems already with queues all the way up the stairs onto the platforms almost. This is a very busy station with a narrow corridor that can only take 3 normal + 1 wide gate which is just nowhere near enough. They could've maybe built something in a semi-circle at the very end of the corridor which would allow for a couple of extra gates? Because is just not going to work. |
Wandsworth Town station gateline
Lucas wrote:
I don't know why they couldn't have foreseen it, but when I saw those four gates being installed at Wandsworth town a week or two ago I knew that could never be enough. They're been put into use today and it's just causing so many problems already with queues all the way up the stairs onto the platforms almost. This is a very busy station with a narrow corridor that can only take 3 normal + 1 wide gate which is just nowhere near enough. They could've maybe built something in a semi-circle at the very end of the corridor which would allow for a couple of extra gates? Because is just not going to work. I've seen several ticket gate installations of late where I can't see how the guidance notes for the Railway Group Standards have been followed at all. http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Railway_G...%20Iss%201.pdf How binding are these on the TOCs? Can we report this to anyone? |
Wandsworth Town station gateline
On 5 Aug, 12:59, Commuter wrote:
Lucas wrote: I don't know why they couldn't have foreseen it, but when I saw those four gates being installed at Wandsworth town a week or two ago I knew that could never be enough. They're been put into use today and it's just causing so many problems already with queues all the way up the stairs onto the platforms almost. This is a very busy station with a narrow corridor that can only take 3 normal + 1 wide gate which is just nowhere near enough. They could've maybe built something in a semi-circle at the very end of the corridor which would allow for a couple of extra gates? Because is just not going to work. I've seen several ticket gate installations of late where I can't see how the guidance notes for the Railway Group Standards have been followed at all. http://www.rgsonline.co.uk/Railway_G...astructure/Gui... How binding are these on the TOCs? Can we report this to anyone? Just reading this now: Ensure sufficient ATGs are installed at each entrance/exit to ensure no person has to wait more than a maximum of five minutes to pass through the ATGs. This figure has been applied to all ATG schemes installed on the national rail network to date, although station operators should aim to achieve a waiting time of no more than three minutes. 5 minutes of extra waiting time to get through a gate? Who on earth thinks that's an acceptable extra burden for every passenger? I would say 10 or 20 seconds extra, max. |
Wandsworth Town station gateline
On Wed, Aug 05, 2009 at 04:02:30PM +0100, Paul Corfield wrote:
On LUL we plan to make sure that the gates are not an evacuation route pinch point and also that there are sufficient gates for the highest peak 5 minute combined flow rate. This should mean there is very little queuing at a gateline although I recognise some locations fare better than others in this respect. Quite. I can't remember the last time I was seriously delayed *leaving* a tube station. And yet it happens just about every time I have to go through barriers at Victoria. At Thornton Heath, they did what the OP suggested should have been done at Wandsworth Town - set the gates back where there was more space. They still cause delays and crowding though when they're in use. Thankfully, they're just left open nearly every evening. And I maintain that there should be giant hydraulic spikes shooting up through the floor whenever a passenger is too ****ing stupid to work the gate. -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence "IMO, the primary historical significance of Unix is that it marks the time in computer history where CPUs became so cheap that it was possible to build an operating system without adult supervision." -- Russ Holsclaw in a.f.c |
Wandsworth Town station gateline
David Cantrell writes:
And I maintain that there should be giant hydraulic spikes shooting up through the floor whenever a passenger is too ****ing stupid to work the gate. I'm not sure how that would decrease congestion at the barrier. Steam catapult? -dan |
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Paul Corfield wrote
person has to wait more than a maximum of five minutes to pass through the ATGs. This figure has been applied to all ATG schemes installed on national rail network to date, although station operators should aim achieve a waiting time of no more than three minutes. This means queues on stairs or else on platforms which may be problematic if another train turns up before the previous load have exited the station. Add in the fact that some NR trains can be Very few NR stations have that frequent a service, certainly Wandsworth Town doesn't (six minutes minimum). What the busiest NR in that sense ? What is queuing to leave like at Kempton Park ? Wimbledon has 18 an hour serviced by one platform/ two faces. -- Mike D |
Wandsworth Town station gateline
On 6 Aug, 21:53, "Michael R N Dolbear" wrote:
Paul Corfield wrote person has to wait more than a maximum of five minutes to pass through the ATGs. This figure has been applied to all ATG schemes installed on national rail network to date, although station operators should aim achieve a waiting time of no more than three minutes. This means queues on stairs or else on platforms which may be problematic if another train turns up before the previous load have exited the station. Add in the fact that some NR trains can be Very few NR stations have that frequent a service, certainly Wandsworth Town doesn't (six minutes minimum). What the busiest NR in that sense ? What is queuing to leave like at Kempton Park ? Wimbledon has 18 an hour serviced by one platform/ two faces. The worst situations tend to be at ungated stations when they have grippers/police in. On one occasion in about 1998/9, I complained by phone about the dangerous situation created by about twenty grippers at Cannon Street, before barriers/gates were installed. I was in the front coach of the second arrival at the same island platform, and it still took me five minutes to get past the idiot grippers. I was genuinely scared about what was building up behind me. |
Wandsworth Town station gateline
"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
... Quite. I can't remember the last time I was seriously delayed *leaving* a tube station. And yet it happens just about every time I have to go through barriers at Victoria. I think the fact that £700m is to be spent expanding capacity at Victoria is indicative that the place is seriously below capacity hence the queuing time. I thought David was commenting on how long it took to get through the *NR* barriers at Victoria. Nonetheless I suspect the 5 minute delay parameter might apply for NR terminal stations. The only NR barrier line I use regularly is the one serving platforms 15-19 at Victoria, and this is the only one I've encountered that seems to have acceptable capacity in the morning peak. It only fails on the rare occassions that two full trains arrive simultaneously - they usually open all the gates and shout at people to walk through. D A Stocks |
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