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These are being floated as options 5 and 6 by the London Borough
of Hounslow, whose previous options 3 and 4 were presumably rejected. They relate to the tunnelled route SW of Paddington. http://213.210.33.3/mgConvert2PDF.asp?ID=4377 (114K) http://213.210.33.3/mgConvert2PDF.asp?ID=4378 (719K) http://213.210.33.3/mgConvert2PDF.asp?ID=4379 (2M) Summary: Proposed new tunnel alignment. Proposed new Crossrail station at the Vale, Acton. Proposed new station at Chiswick Business Park, with District, Picc, NLL and Crossrail services in three directions (Paddington/East London, Richmond/Kingston, Brentford/Hounslow) However, a Picc/District/NLL station here was ruled out here a couple of years ago because LU refused to consider stopping Picc trains there. Proposed new Crossrail station behind Chiswick Village. Proposed retention of District Line at Gunnersbury, Kew and Richmond. Proposed closure of Chiswick Park and South Acton due to proximity with new Chiswick Business Park station. No need to dig up Chiswick Back Common. Robin |
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Robin Cox wrote:
These are being floated as options 5 and 6 by the London Borough of Hounslow, whose previous options 3 and 4 were presumably rejected. They relate to the tunnelled route SW of Paddington. Summary: Proposed new tunnel alignment. Proposed new Crossrail station at the Vale, Acton. Proposed new station at Chiswick Business Park, with District, Picc, NLL and Crossrail services in three directions (Paddington/East London, Richmond/Kingston, Brentford/Hounslow) However, a Picc/District/NLL station here was ruled out here a couple of years ago because LU refused to consider stopping Picc trains there. Proposed new Crossrail station behind Chiswick Village. Proposed retention of District Line at Gunnersbury, Kew and Richmond. Proposed closure of Chiswick Park and South Acton due to proximity with new Chiswick Business Park station. No need to dig up Chiswick Back Common. The depressing thing about all of this is the blinkered attitude to routes, which only attempts to serve traffic to/from central London. If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond to Heathrow, for example, would have to change at Paddington. At least now they only have to go as far as Hammersmith! West London roads from the North Circular to the M25 are at saturation for orbital journeys. Acton and Chiswick interchanges on Crossrail would begin to address this, at a cost of perhaps a couple of minutes on the radial journey times (which will be a lot quicker than now). How about 6 Crossrail an hour to Acton (Old Oak), Chiswick Park, Brentford, Southall, and stations to Slough? That would make lots of new connections without overburdening the busiest part of the GWML. Colin McKenzie |
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Robin Cox wrote: These are being floated as options 5 and 6 by the London Borough of Hounslow, whose previous options 3 and 4 were presumably rejected. They relate to the tunnelled route SW of Paddington. Summary: Proposed new tunnel alignment. Proposed new Crossrail station at the Vale, Acton. Proposed new station at Chiswick Business Park, with District, Picc, NLL and Crossrail services in three directions (Paddington/East London, Richmond/Kingston, Brentford/Hounslow) snip The depressing thing about all of this is the blinkered attitude to routes, which only attempts to serve traffic to/from central London. If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond to Heathrow, for example, would have to change at Paddington. At least now they only have to go as far as Hammersmith! This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out of Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond would get to Paddington faster than they currently get to Hammersmith, and their journey from Paddington to Heathrow would also be quicker than the Piccadilly line. So what's the problem? With a bit of luck, the Piccadilly will stop at Turnham Green and you could change to the Piccadily there if you really wanted the slow route to Heathrow. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out of Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond would get to Paddington faster than they currently get to Hammersmith, and their journey from Paddington to Heathrow would also be quicker than the Piccadilly line. But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail? -- message by Robin May, but you can call me Mr Smith. Hello. I'm one of those "roaring fascists of the left wing". Police Advice: do not approach Cheryl Tweedy as she may be dangerous. |
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"Richard J." wrote the following in: This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out of Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond would get to Paddington faster than they currently get to Hammersmith, and their journey from Paddington to Heathrow would also be quicker than the Piccadilly line. But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail? I sincerely hope not, but Crossrail aren't saying anything about fares at the moment. Maybe it depends on the terms under which BAA permit Crossrail to run trains down their line. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Robin May" wrote in message
... But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail? Livingstone says that Crossrail to Heathrow will be included in the Travelcard scheme. But he might not be the one deciding... -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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"Richard J." wrote the following in: This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out of Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond would get to Paddington faster than they currently get to Hammersmith, and their journey from Paddington to Heathrow would also be quicker than the Piccadilly line. But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail? Exactly. And at best you'd be paying for two extra zones. More to the point, why clog up overloaded radial lines with orbital passengers? One reason why zone 1 is so busy is the number of journeys that are currently fastest via zone 1 because there is no usable more direct route. For example, several of my co-workers near Ealing Broadway seem to live in the Swiss Cottage area. Unless they use a cycle to replace non-existent interchanges, their fastest route is via zone 1. Colin McKenzie |
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On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:33:59 -0000, "John Rowland"
wrote: "Robin May" wrote in message ... But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail? Livingstone says that Crossrail to Heathrow will be included in the Travelcard scheme. But he might not be the one deciding... But didn't he say that if was the only way to fund Crossrail, a supplement (a la DLR Lewisham) would be allowed? Rob. -- rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk |
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John Rowland wrote: "Robin May" wrote in message ... But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail? Livingstone says that Crossrail to Heathrow will be included in the Travelcard scheme. But he might not be the one deciding... It is still not clear to me if Crossrail will replace HEX, and whether there will still be a premium fare non-stop Paddington-Heathrow service. Also it will be very interesting to see the fare structure for the new Paddington-Heathrow (joint Thaems Trains/HEX ?) stopping service when it commences next year. David |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:00:16 +0000, Colin McKenzie wrote:
For example, several of my co-workers near Ealing Broadway seem to live in the Swiss Cottage area. Unless they use a cycle to replace non-existent interchanges, their fastest route is via zone 1. Yup, If I go to work avoiding zone 1, it takes 2 hours and 3 bus trips (spit). Otherwise it's a 50 minute run via oxford circus (one of the busiest stations) An outer circle line on the zone 2/3 border would cut down a lot of congestion |
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Colin McKenzie wrote:
Robin May wrote: "Richard J." wrote the following in: This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out of Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond would get to Paddington faster than they currently get to Hammersmith, and their journey from Paddington to Heathrow would also be quicker than the Piccadilly line. But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail? Exactly. And at best you'd be paying for two extra zones. Only one more, if you go via Paddington, compared with your existing Richmond-Hammersmith-Heathrow route. But if you're worried about cost, then change at Turnham Green to the Piccadilly (assuming TfL agree to stop it there to link to Crossrail), and you have one less zone than currently. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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Colin McKenzie wrote: Robin May wrote: "Richard J." wrote the following in: This is typical of the ignorant and illogical comments coming out of Richmond at present. If the base option is built, passengers from Richmond would get to Paddington faster than they currently get to Hammersmith, and their journey from Paddington to Heathrow would also be quicker than the Piccadilly line. But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail? Exactly. And at best you'd be paying for two extra zones. Only one more, if you go via Paddington, compared with your existing Richmond-Hammersmith-Heathrow route. But if you're worried about cost, then change at Turnham Green to the Piccadilly (assuming TfL agree to stop it there to link to Crossrail), and you have one less zone than currently. If people can afford an air ticket from Heathrow they can afford the train journey most likely. The HEX seems designed for business travellers who don't pay anyway. Crossrail will probably be expensive but people will still pay because it would be much quicker and better than any other way of doing things. What is meant by a premium on the DLR to Lewisham? |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:00:16 +0000, Colin McKenzie wrote: For example, several of my co-workers near Ealing Broadway seem to live in the Swiss Cottage area. Unless they use a cycle to replace non-existent interchanges, their fastest route is via zone 1. Yup, If I go to work avoiding zone 1, it takes 2 hours and 3 bus trips (spit). Otherwise it's a 50 minute run via oxford circus (one of the busiest stations) An outer circle line on the zone 2/3 border would cut down a lot of congestion Doesn't that almost describe the North London line? I think the problem with the North London line is that the trains aren't frequent enough and there aren't enough interchanges with other lines. |
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"Robert Woolley" wrote in message ... On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 00:33:59 -0000, "John Rowland" wrote: "Robin May" wrote in message ... But the Heathrow Express costs a bomb. Would it still be so expensive after Crossrail? Livingstone says that Crossrail to Heathrow will be included in the Travelcard scheme. But he might not be the one deciding... But didn't he say that if was the only way to fund Crossrail, a supplement (a la DLR Lewisham) would be allowed? What supplement is there on the DLR to Lewisham? As far as I am aware the fares to Lewisham are exactly the same as the fare to anywhere else in the same zones. Peter Smyth |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 22:36:01 +0000, Robin May wrote:
Paul Weaver wrote the following in: On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 11:00:16 +0000, Colin McKenzie wrote: For example, several of my co-workers near Ealing Broadway seem to live in the Swiss Cottage area. Unless they use a cycle to replace non-existent interchanges, their fastest route is via zone 1. Yup, If I go to work avoiding zone 1, it takes 2 hours and 3 bus trips (spit). Otherwise it's a 50 minute run via oxford circus (one of the busiest stations) An outer circle line on the zone 2/3 border would cut down a lot of congestion Doesn't that almost describe the North London line? I think the problem with the North London line is that the trains aren't frequent enough and there aren't enough interchanges with other lines. Yeah, pretty useless for me, it would be Victoria walthamstow-highbury, nll-gunnersbury, district-hammersmith, h&c to shepherds bush, then 800 yard walk to work. If there were an interchange with the central at acton it might be worth a look, still take longer then going via zone 1 though. |
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m... If people can afford an air ticket from Heathrow they can afford the train journey most likely. What about people who work there? -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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It is still not clear to me if Crossrail will replace HEX, and whether there will still be a premium fare non-stop Paddington-Heathrow service. David I'm not sure they've decided yet. There's a lot of modelling being done of the various options, to see which works best during times of disruption. PhilD -- |
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PhilD wrote: gwr4090 wrote in message ... It is still not clear to me if Crossrail will replace HEX, and whether there will still be a premium fare non-stop Paddington-Heathrow service. David I'm not sure they've decided yet. There's a lot of modelling being done of the various options, to see which works best during times of disruption. Since posting my message above I have read some further material at the Crossrail website which states quite explicitly that the 6 CrossRail trains per hour to Heathrow will replace the HEX service. But it still does not indicate if these will all call at Ealing Broadway and Hayes. David |
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