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Why touch in at interchanges?
Greetings.
A friend of mine uses pay-as-you-go Oyster and regularly takes the Overground from Kentish Town to Stratford, and then continues by Underground from Stratford to Gants Hill. She claims that, while making the intercharge, she has to touch in at a red Oyster card reader in Stratford or else she gets overcharged for her journey. Is this true? If so, why? Why can't she just touch in at Kentish Town and touch out at Gants Hill? There isn't some more expensive route between the two stations that she has to prove she didn't take, is there? Is this "touch in at interchanges" policy just a hoop TfL makes people jump through in hopes of making money off those who forget to do so? Regards, Tristan -- _ _V.-o Tristan Miller Space is limited / |`-' -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- In a haiku, so it's hard (7_\\ http://www.nothingisreal.com/ To finish what you |
Why touch in at interchanges?
"Tristan Miller" wrote in message ... Greetings. A friend of mine uses pay-as-you-go Oyster and regularly takes the Overground from Kentish Town to Stratford, and then continues by Underground from Stratford to Gants Hill. She claims that, while making the intercharge, she has to touch in at a red Oyster card reader in Stratford or else she gets overcharged for her journey. Is this true? Yes, but only since last month. Previously certain journeys were deemed to always be via zone 1, although it was possible to take a route without using zone 1, using the NLL for example So they've listened to the criticism and fixed it, by adding interchange validators, which allow pax to prove they used the cheaper route. If you use the Oyster single fares finder, it will have a 'cheaper alternatives' option where one exists, that details the different routes. Paul S |
Why touch in at interchanges?
On Oct 16, 4:19*pm, Tristan Miller
wrote: Greetings. A friend of mine uses pay-as-you-go Oyster and regularly takes the Overground from Kentish Town to Stratford, and then continues by Underground from Stratford to Gants Hill. *She claims that, while making the intercharge, she has to touch in at a red Oyster card reader in Stratford or else she gets overcharged for her journey. *Is this true? *If so, why? *Why can't she just touch in at Kentish Town and touch out at Gants Hill? *There isn't some more expensive route between the two stations that she has to prove she didn't take, is there? Yes: Kentish Town - Bank - Gants Hill *Is this "touch in at interchanges" policy just a hoop TfL makes people jump through in hopes of making money off those who forget to do so? No, it's a way of allowing people to choose between an expensive journey via an expensive route, or a cheaper journey via a cheaper route. -- John Band john at johnband dot org www.johnband.org |
Why touch in at interchanges?
John B wrote:
Yes: Kentish Town - Bank - Gants Hill Is this "touch in at interchanges" policy just a hoop TfL makes people jump through in hopes of making money off those who forget to do so? No, it's a way of allowing people to choose between an expensive journey via an expensive route, or a cheaper journey via a cheaper route. I was surprised to see that for the journey to Gants Hill both Kentish Town and Kentish Town West (is that where the OP's example actually starts?) are both defined as via zone 1 . I was half expecting the latter to default to the cheaper fare, but it doesn't seem to. Interesting that Tristan seems to believe the new idea is a con, whereas AFAIAA it was set up precisely because many people believed the previous system was sometimes ripping them off. Can't please everyone I suppose... Paul S |
Why touch in at interchanges?
On 16 Oct, 17:14, "Paul Scott" wrote:
John B wrote: Yes: Kentish Town - Bank - Gants Hill Is this "touch in at interchanges" policy just a hoop TfL makes people jump through in hopes of making money off those who forget to do so? No, it's a way of allowing people to choose between an expensive journey via an expensive route, or a cheaper journey via a cheaper route. I was surprised to see that for the journey to Gants Hill both Kentish Town and Kentish Town West (is that where the OP's example actually starts?) are both defined as via zone 1 . I was half expecting the latter to default to the cheaper fare, but it doesn't seem to. Interesting that Tristan seems to believe the new idea is a con, whereas AFAIAA it was set up precisely because many people believed the previous system was sometimes ripping them off. *Can't please everyone I suppose.... He could have a point if some journeys which were previously priced not via zone 1 are now assumed to be via zone 1 unless there's a touch on the red reader. Like was the journey from Kentish Town West to Gants Hill previously via zone 1? |
Why touch in at interchanges?
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:54:08 +0100, Paul Scott wrote:
A friend of mine uses pay-as-you-go Oyster and regularly takes the Overground from Kentish Town to Stratford, and then continues by Underground from Stratford to Gants Hill. She claims that, while making the intercharge, she has to touch in at a red Oyster card reader in Stratford or else she gets overcharged for her journey. Is this true? Yes, but only since last month. Previously certain journeys were deemed to always be via zone 1, although it was possible to take a route without using zone 1, using the NLL for example So they've listened to the criticism and fixed it, by adding interchange validators, which allow pax to prove they used the cheaper route. But there's no sensible route from Kentish Town West to Gants Hill via zone 1. If I travel from South Harrow to West Harrow, I don't expect to have to touch the interchange validator at Rayners Lane to avoid being charged via Z1. In fact it wouldn't even occur to me to do so. |
Why touch in at interchanges?
On 16 Oct, 21:13, asdf wrote:
On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 16:54:08 +0100, Paul Scott wrote: A friend of mine uses pay-as-you-go Oyster and regularly takes the Overground from Kentish Town to Stratford, and then continues by Underground from Stratford to Gants Hill. *She claims that, while making the intercharge, she has to touch in at a red Oyster card reader in Stratford or else she gets overcharged for her journey. *Is this true? Yes, but only since last month. Previously certain journeys were deemed to always be via zone 1, although it was possible to take a route without using zone 1, using the NLL for example *So they've listened to the criticism and fixed it, by adding interchange validators, which allow pax to prove they used the cheaper route. But there's no sensible route from Kentish Town West to Gants Hill via zone 1. If I travel from South Harrow to West Harrow, I don't expect to have to touch the interchange validator at Rayners Lane to avoid being charged via Z1. In fact it wouldn't even occur to me to do so. Looking at the single fare finder, it seems that the default route for stations west of Dalston Kingsland is changing at Highbury & Islington, Kings Cross and Bank. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/ |
Why touch in at interchanges?
On 16 Oct, 23:38, Matthew Dickinson
wrote: Looking at the single fare finder, it seems that the default route for stations west of Dalston Kingsland is changing at Highbury & Islington, Kings Cross and Bank. http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...inder/current/ Just to throw a spanner in the works, before the pink validators were introduced I often used the NLL from Finchley Rd + Frognal or Gospel Oak or Camden Town to Wanstead / Snaresbrook on the far reaches of the Central Line, and I was always charged the none Zone 1 fare i.e £1.10 at anytime. I've just checked now and it looks as if the "default fare" west of H+H is indeed the via Zone 1 fare, which seems a bit silly because the Z1 journey does take a lot longer. I can understand OP's gripe here as one could easily think that the default journey is via Stratford and hence would not require touching the pink validators at Stratford. I cannot believe this is a ploy to stop people from deliberately using the Zone 1 route but paying the non Zone 1 fare as it is clear that the NLL to Stratford route would take considerably less time to complete. Lucky that I read this post as if I did undertake a Gospel-Oak Wanstead journey I wouldn't have touched the validators at Stratford and would have been charged the zone 1 far on exiting Wanstead and as a result would have been quite peeved. It seems that the moral of the story is always touch the validators even if you think that you don't need to on account of the route of the journey you have undertaken being the quickest and hence, you think, the cheapest. |
Why touch in at interchanges?
On 17 Oct, 18:53, Uncle-C wrote:
Just to throw a spanner in the works, before the pink validators were introduced I often used the NLL from Finchley Rd + Frognal or Gospel Oak or Camden Town My mistake, should read "Camden Road." |
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