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Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3245257.stm:
----------------- London Underground (LU) workers from one Tube line are to go on a 24-hour strike in protest at the sacking of a union activist. The man was seen coming out of a squash club while on sick leave. The Rail Maritime and Transport union (RMT) claim he had medical proof saying sporting activity was part of his recovery programme. About 100 RMT members who work on the Hammersmith and City Line, used by 55,000 people a day, will now walk out at 2130 GMT on 13 November. Bob Crow, the union's general secretary, said: "This is a clear case of victimisation of an RMT member making every effort to get back to work after sustaining a serious injury." A spokeswoman for London Underground said: "Playing competitive squash is incompatible with the reasons this employee gave us for taking sick leave." -------------------- If the union believe that the dismissal was unfair, they should take the case to an industrial tribunal. Bob Crow's comment about victimisation rings hollow when his response is to victimise the travelling public. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
"Richard J." wrote in
: From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3245257.stm: ----------------- London Underground (LU) workers from one Tube line are to go on a 24-hour strike in protest at the sacking of a union activist. The man was seen coming out of a squash club while on sick leave. The Rail Maritime and Transport union (RMT) claim he had medical proof saying sporting activity was part of his recovery programme. About 100 RMT members who work on the Hammersmith and City Line, used by 55,000 people a day, will now walk out at 2130 GMT on 13 November. Bob Crow, the union's general secretary, said: "This is a clear case of victimisation of an RMT member making every effort to get back to work after sustaining a serious injury." A spokeswoman for London Underground said: "Playing competitive squash is incompatible with the reasons this employee gave us for taking sick leave." -------------------- If the union believe that the dismissal was unfair, they should take the case to an industrial tribunal. Bob Crow's comment about victimisation rings hollow when his response is to victimise the travelling public. I'm sure the medical insurance company had something to with seeing the driver coming out of the squash club. |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:15:23 +0000, woutster
wrote: "Richard J." wrote in : From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3245257.stm: ----------------- London Underground (LU) workers from one Tube line are to go on a 24-hour strike in protest at the sacking of a union activist. The man was seen coming out of a squash club while on sick leave. The Rail Maritime and Transport union (RMT) claim he had medical proof saying sporting activity was part of his recovery programme. About 100 RMT members who work on the Hammersmith and City Line, used by 55,000 people a day, will now walk out at 2130 GMT on 13 November. Bob Crow, the union's general secretary, said: "This is a clear case of victimisation of an RMT member making every effort to get back to work after sustaining a serious injury." A spokeswoman for London Underground said: "Playing competitive squash is incompatible with the reasons this employee gave us for taking sick leave." -------------------- If the union believe that the dismissal was unfair, they should take the case to an industrial tribunal. Bob Crow's comment about victimisation rings hollow when his response is to victimise the travelling public. I'm sure the medical insurance company had something to with seeing the driver coming out of the squash club. I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. The union want to watch themselves on this one unless they are deliberately out to lose what little credibility they've got left with the public. |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:17:55 +0000, "I@n" -uk wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:15:23 +0000, woutster wrote: "Richard J." wrote in : From http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/3245257.stm: ----------------- London Underground (LU) workers from one Tube line are to go on a 24-hour strike in protest at the sacking of a union activist. The man was seen coming out of a squash club while on sick leave. The Rail Maritime and Transport union (RMT) claim he had medical proof saying sporting activity was part of his recovery programme. About 100 RMT members who work on the Hammersmith and City Line, used by 55,000 people a day, will now walk out at 2130 GMT on 13 November. Bob Crow, the union's general secretary, said: "This is a clear case of victimisation of an RMT member making every effort to get back to work after sustaining a serious injury." A spokeswoman for London Underground said: "Playing competitive squash is incompatible with the reasons this employee gave us for taking sick leave." -------------------- If the union believe that the dismissal was unfair, they should take the case to an industrial tribunal. Bob Crow's comment about victimisation rings hollow when his response is to victimise the travelling public. I'm sure the medical insurance company had something to with seeing the driver coming out of the squash club. I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. Totally agree... I work, but I wouldn't survive 10 minutes in a squash court! In the end I think (IMHO as a member of the public) it comes down the sacked party being a union activist, and the RMT trying to protect their interests. Given what information has been publicly available, it sounds like this person could have worked (in some form), they have basically been cheating (defrauding.. if sick pay is involved etc) LU.. and hence us the fee paying passengers. The union want to watch themselves on this one unless they are deliberately out to lose what little credibility they've got left with the public. Little? Talking to friends, the general opinion is they have no credibility on this issue |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
"I@n" -uk wrote the following in:
I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. The union want to watch themselves on this one unless they are deliberately out to lose what little credibility they've got left with the public. I don't think anyone can really comment without knowing what's meant to have been wrong with this person and what is supposed to help them get better. -- message by Robin May, but you can call me Mr Smith. Hello. I'm one of those "roaring fascists of the left wing". Then and than are different words! |
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On 7 Nov 2003 00:50:06 GMT, Robin May
wrote: "I@n" -uk wrote the following in: I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. The union want to watch themselves on this one unless they are deliberately out to lose what little credibility they've got left with the public. I don't think anyone can really comment without knowing what's meant to have been wrong with this person and what is supposed to help them get better. http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/a...ing%20Standard quote: "snip "RMT union leaders justified the action of sacked driver Chris Barrett, saying the squash was to help speed his recovery from an ankle injury." snip He had been off sick with the injury for several months. When confronted by the Evening Standard, he said: "I was not playing squash. I was just exercising my ankle on a squash court." snip" Sorry but you don't book a squash court just to exercise and not play squash! |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
Robin May wrote:
"I@n" -uk wrote the following in: I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. The union want to watch themselves on this one unless they are deliberately out to lose what little credibility they've got left with the public. I don't think anyone can really comment without knowing what's meant to have been wrong with this person and what is supposed to help them get better. Yes, we can't take an informed view on the medical issue, but we *can* comment on the union's decision to strike. They have accused LU of not following the proper process, but they are guilty of that too. What do they industrial tribunals are for? Or perhaps they recognise that their case is so weak that it would get thrown out? -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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"Mark Blewett" wrote in message
... He had been off sick with the injury for several months. When confronted by the Evening Standard, he said: "I was not playing squash. I was just exercising my ankle on a squash court." snip" Sorry but you don't book a squash court just to exercise and not play squash! I agree. He hasn't got a leg to stand on. As for the union being concerned that they might lose credibility with the public, I can't think of any reason for the union to care about that. After all, it's only the station assistants who get spat at, not Bob Crowe. -- John Rowland - Spamtrapped Transport Plans for the London Area, updated 2001 http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acro...69/tpftla.html A man's vehicle is a symbol of his manhood. That's why my vehicle's the Piccadilly Line - It's the size of a county and it comes every two and a half minutes |
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In article , John Rowland
writes He hasn't got a leg to stand on. LOL!!!! -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
Robin May writes:
I don't think anyone can really comment without knowing what's meant to have been wrong with this person and what is supposed to help them get better. He had an ankle injury, it's been widely reported already. Squash is not light exercise, escecially for ankles and knees. The guy was taking advantage of the system and got caught. LUL followed normal disciplinary procedure and the union has no case for a strike. If LUL doesn't take legal action against the union for organising an illegal strike, the passengers should. |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
Snippo
I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. Snippo again I don't think anyone can really comment without knowing what's meant to have been wrong with this person and what is supposed to help them get better. Are we being told the full story here? Apparently the guy was seen leaving a squash club - Am I missing something or was he actually seen playing squash? Maybe it's another trial by media as opposed to the system that uses the word justice - possibly using the words "innocent until proven guilty/ otherwise". If his actions were within the guidelines given to him by his doctor then he should be O.K., if not then he should close the door behind him as he leaves. Admittedly I don't use LU in the same way that others do but I am left wondering what some other readers of this NG would do if the finger was pointing at them and they felt they had done nothing wrong (and no, I don't belong to a union). Maybe LU can pull it off and run the system with no union involvment whatsoever. (Maybe the disgruntled customers who think it's .OK. to spit at staff will be surprised when the staff spit back.) Maybe, maybe, ... Have a nice day ... Paul |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
"John Rowland" wrote in message ...
As for the union being concerned that they might lose credibility with the public, I can't think of any reason for the union to care about that. After all, it's only the station assistants who get spat at, not Bob Crowe. Given that apparently the H&C drivers voted 2 to 1 to strike perhaps its them who should be spat at instead, or at the least a some choice bits of verbal abuse directed in their general vacinity. Perhaps if some of these militant dickheads had to suffer the consequences of holding London to ransom they wouldn't do it quite so often. Bear in mind Bob Crowe can only get away with what he does with the majority support of his members and they seem to give it to him quite readily. B2003 |
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In article , Paul
writes Admittedly I don't use LU in the same way that others do but I am left wondering what some other readers of this NG would do if the finger was pointing at them and they felt they had done nothing wrong (and no, I don't belong to a union). The public are fed up with the unions who think they can hold Londoners to ransom over every little thing. Too many people skive off, managers included. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
I don't think anyone can really comment without knowing what's meant to
have been wrong with this person and what is supposed to help them get better. Maybe if LU drivers weren't so aggroant and full of themselves they wouldn't think they could go and play squash when they are suppose to be injured and think no-one is going to say anything. Its just another excuse to call a strike. Out of interest do the union leaders calling the strike get paid while they are on strike? Do the drivers get paid while on strike? Only apparently during the recent Royal Mail wildcat strikes the union leaders in the depots calling their men to go on strike were getting paid whilist the poor sheep who followed the strike call didn't. Just a thought. |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
In article , "I@n"
-uk writes I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. Irrespective of the facts of the original case, that statement is rubbish. Four examples off the top of my head: (1) The person is short of stamina and can only stay active for an hour or two. Fine for playing squash but not for driving trains. (2) The person has an injury in an area which doesn't affect them playing squash but does affect train driving (e.g. left wrist of a right-handed person, or a hip problem preventing them sitting in one position for long periods. (3) The injured area is reliable enough for unimportant tasks but not for critical ones. Exercising an injured ankle through playing squash might be recommended; if it starts to hurt, the person can stop playing, whereas if it plays up while driving a train, they can't just stop. (4) The person has an intermittent eyesight problem that doesn't stop them playing a game but isn't safe for something like train driving. For example, temporary blindness in one part of the retina, or temporary blindness in low light. And finally there's one that's happened to me: "don't you dare go back to work until everything's been fine for a few days". -- Clive D.W. Feather, writing for himself | Home: Tel: +44 20 8371 1138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Written on my laptop; please observe the Reply-To address |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
In article , Clive D. W. Feather
writes Irrespective of the facts of the original case, that statement is rubbish. Four examples off the top of my head: (1) The person is short of stamina and can only stay active for an hour or two. Fine for playing squash but not for driving trains. Squash is probably the most demanding non contact sport there is. If you can last 2 hours on the squash court then you are fit to drive a train which does not require much physical exertion and therefore does not require much stamina. (2) The person has an injury in an area which doesn't affect them playing squash but does affect train driving (e.g. left wrist of a right-handed person, or a hip problem preventing them sitting in one position for long periods. All areas of the body are used when playing squash, lots of twisting and turning, fast sprints etc. If the person was right handed and had an injury to their left hand they wouldn't be able to serve the ball and therefore couldn't play squash as they would be unable to do up the laces on their sports shoes. (3) The injured area is reliable enough for unimportant tasks but not for critical ones. Exercising an injured ankle through playing squash might be recommended; if it starts to hurt, the person can stop playing, whereas if it plays up while driving a train, they can't just stop. Exactly how can an ankle injury stop you driving a train? Yes I know that some stock has the PED release as a foot switch but otherwise I don't' but that. Jeez...... (4) The person has an intermittent eyesight problem that doesn't stop them playing a game but isn't safe for something like train driving. For example, temporary blindness in one part of the retina, or temporary blindness in low light. But they can see a squash ball whizzing around a brightly lit white court at 35 mph......... -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
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Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
"Clive D. W. Feather" wrote in message ...
In article , "I@n" -uk writes I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. Irrespective of the facts of the original case, that statement is rubbish. Four examples off the top of my head: (1) The person is short of stamina and can only stay active for an hour or two. Fine for playing squash but not for driving trains. Oh bull****. Squash is one of the most active activities you can participate in. Anyone who can play squash for "an hour or two" can most certainly stay awake sitting on their arse pushing a lever. (2) The person has an injury in an area which doesn't affect them playing squash but does affect train driving (e.g. left wrist of a right-handed person, or a hip problem preventing them sitting in one position for long periods. If he had a bad ankle he wouldn't be able to run around on a squash court. (3) The injured area is reliable enough for unimportant tasks but not for critical ones. Exercising an injured ankle through playing squash might be recommended; if it starts to hurt, the person can stop playing, whereas if it plays up while driving a train, they can't just stop. Why exactly can't he drive a train even if he had a bad ankle? Last time I looked tube trains didn't have floor pedals to operate. (4) The person has an intermittent eyesight problem that doesn't stop them playing a game but isn't safe for something like train driving. For example, temporary blindness in one part of the retina, or temporary blindness in low light. Yeah , and if they catch anthrax it might effect their driving too. Meanwhile back in the real world he was playing squash with a bad ankle. He was taking the **** and LU were right to fire him. B2003 |
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Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
In article , Andrew P Smith
writes (4) The person has an intermittent eyesight problem that doesn't stop them playing a game but isn't safe for something like train driving. For example, temporary blindness in one part of the retina, or temporary blindness in low light. But they can see a squash ball whizzing around a brightly lit white court at 35 mph......... To continue with this one as an example: (1) I said "one part of the retina", or "low light"; neither case would prevent you seeing a brightly lit squash ball in continual motion relative to your sightlines. (2) If they fail to spot the ball once, the worst they get is a clonk from it. If they fail to spot a signal or other hazard once, people can die. Sheesh. Do I have to make the difference any clearer? -- Clive D.W. Feather, writing for himself | Home: Tel: +44 20 8371 1138 (work) | Web: http://www.davros.org Fax: +44 870 051 9937 | Work: Written on my laptop; please observe the Reply-To address |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
In article , Clive D. W. Feather
writes In article , Andrew P Smith writes (4) The person has an intermittent eyesight problem that doesn't stop them playing a game but isn't safe for something like train driving. For example, temporary blindness in one part of the retina, or temporary blindness in low light. But they can see a squash ball whizzing around a brightly lit white court at 35 mph......... To continue with this one as an example: (1) I said "one part of the retina", or "low light"; neither case would prevent you seeing a brightly lit squash ball in continual motion relative to your sightlines. I didn't realise all tube tunnels were lit. If you can see a moving squash ball then you can see a signal. (2) If they fail to spot the ball once, the worst they get is a clonk from it. If they fail to spot a signal or other hazard once, people can die. Signal is a red herring, I believe you know all about tripcocks. If the drivers eye sight is defective then they will be rumbled at the medical each year and stop driving trains. Sheesh. Do I have to make the difference any clearer? When in a hole Clive, stop digging. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:17:55 +0000, "I@n" -uk wrote:
On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:15:23 +0000, woutster wrote: snip I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. The union want to watch themselves on this one unless they are deliberately out to lose what little credibility they've got left with the public. In The Times today there is an article... apparently this person started working on the Tube in 1998... now how many days off sick would you expect for someone over 5 years? 10, 20, 30, 40, 50... how about 218? This guy is taking the p*ss.. thats 1 in 5 working days! |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
In article , Mark Blewett
writes On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 00:17:55 +0000, "I@n" -uk wrote: On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 22:15:23 +0000, woutster wrote: snip I don't care what anyone says, doctors note or not, there is no way someone can be well enough to play squash but be unable to push a few buttons on a train, or perform lesser duties for a while if necessary. The union want to watch themselves on this one unless they are deliberately out to lose what little credibility they've got left with the public. In The Times today there is an article... apparently this person started working on the Tube in 1998... now how many days off sick would you expect for someone over 5 years? 10, 20, 30, 40, 50... how about 218? This guy is taking the p*ss.. thats 1 in 5 working days! I've now gone 2yrs and 1 week without any time off sick from work. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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In message , Andrew P Smith
writes I've now gone 2yrs and 1 week without any time off sick from work. A new slant on the old willie-waving contest maybe? -- Kat Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea - Robert A. Heinlein |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
In article , Kat
writes In message , Andrew P Smith writes I've now gone 2yrs and 1 week without any time off sick from work. A new slant on the old willie-waving contest maybe? Nothing old about my willie. -- Andrew Electronic communications can be altered and therefore the integrity of this communication can not be guaranteed. Views expressed in this communication are those of the author and not associations or companies I am involved with. |
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On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:16:51 +0000 (UTC),
wrote: In article , (Boltar) wrote: wrote in message ... [snip] That may be true but it hardly applies in this case. B2003 True. It was more of a general observation. Roger I hope the eyesight test is rather more than basic - signal sighting is fairly critical! Rob. -- rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk |
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Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
In article ,
(Robert Woolley) wrote: On Sat, 15 Nov 2003 22:16:51 +0000 (UTC), wrote: In article , (Boltar) wrote: wrote in message ... [snip] That may be true but it hardly applies in this case. B2003 True. It was more of a general observation. Roger I hope the eyesight test is rather more than basic - signal sighting is fairly critical! Rob. -- rob at robertwoolley dot co dot uk The yearly one generally involves reading a number plate (or similar) at a certain distance and stating what colour aspect is being shown from a handlamp. This covers being able to see a signal and identifying the aspect correctly. If at a medical, then the eyesight is tested more thoroughly. The eyesight may also be tested, using standard opticians charts, when applying for a second pair of glasses following an eye test at a local opticians and it is necessary for the prescription to be changed, or if it is identified via an optician or from the yearly test that glasses must now be worn. (T/Ops must provide a second pair of glasses and keep them with them at all times - LU refund some of the cost of this (I think it's around £50-60)) Roger |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
What happened to this. Did the union come to their senses and realise
they were on to a massive support loser with this one as far as the travelling public were concerned? |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
In article , I@n
-uk writes What happened to this. Did the union come to their senses and realise they were on to a massive support loser with this one as far as the travelling public were concerned? It happened - the H&C was pretty well crippled in the morning with infrequent trains between Edgware Road and Hammersmith, by the evening more drivers had come in and the service was every ten mins to Moorgate. Generally it didn't have a huge impact. -- John Alexander, |
Hammersmith & City strike on 13 November
I@n wrote:
What happened to this. Did the union come to their senses and realise they were on to a massive support loser with this one as far as the travelling public were concerned? It was just a 1-day strike, and they've now found a different excuse for industrial action, so we probably won't hear any more about the squash therapy case. -- Richard J. (to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address) |
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