Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

According to Southern it should be enabled tomorrow.

http://www.southernrailway.com/ticke...s/oyster-card/

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

"Sky Rider" wrote in message
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According to Southern it should be enabled tomorrow.

http://www.southernrailway.com/ticke...s/oyster-card/

Yup, had an e-mail from the Tooting MP to tell us about it and how
tirelessly *he'd* been working to enable it - load of total ********!

It's certainly a start - let's hope the scheme grows quickly.

Ian

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

On Nov 7, 12:07*pm, "Ian F." wrote:

"Sky Rider" wrote in message

...

According to Southern it should be enabled tomorrow.

http://www.southernrailway.com/ticke...-types/oyster-...

It's certainly a start - let's hope the scheme grows quickly.

According to a msg posted on another forum FCC Oyster extension
startes 02/01/10.

Please note I am only re-posting this message, I have NOT seen this
gen in an official source, only on a web group, so please do not
criticise me if for errors and ommissions and inaccuracies.

Quote:
''... from Saturday 2nd January 2010 PAYG Oyster is vaild on FCC
and "along with all London and South East train operators"
Thameslink route customers will be able to use
Oyster PAYG:
* between Elstree & Borehamwood (Zone 6) in
the north and East Croydon (Zone 5) in the south
* at all Wimbledon Loop stations, which are all
within the London Fare zones (1–6)
Great Northern route customers will be able to use
Oyster PAYG:
* between London and Hadley Wood on the Welwyn Garden City line
* between London and Crews Hill on the Hertford Loop ...''

--
Nick

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

Ian F. wrote:
"Sky Rider" wrote in message
...

According to Southern it should be enabled tomorrow.

http://www.southernrailway.com/ticke...s/oyster-card/


Yup, had an e-mail from the Tooting MP to tell us about it and how
tirelessly *he'd* been working to enable it - load of total ********!

It's certainly a start - let's hope the scheme grows quickly.

Ian


I wonder if they have ever considered zoning the country, similar to
what is done for transport in the Netherlands, so that one card or set
of cards is good for rail and bus transport throughout.

Admittedly, the Netherlands is a lot smaller than the United Kingdom.

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:08:22 +0000, "
wrote:

I wonder if they have ever considered zoning the country, similar to
what is done for transport in the Netherlands, so that one card or set
of cards is good for rail and bus transport throughout.

The Netherlands has done away with zones - the OV-Chipkaart is based
on a "starting fare" (EUR 0.70 at present) plus a kilometric value
that differs between regions (though not, seemingly, between operators
within those regions).

Indeed, if you went for a very simple implementation, an electronic
purse smart card would be easy to do, particularly for buses. It's
things like capping and standardised fares that make it difficult.

Neil

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Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

Sky Rider wrote in
:

According to Southern it should be enabled tomorrow.

http://www.southernrailway.com/ticke...-types/oyster-
card/



Is there any (public) printed documentation on the new PAYG fares?

David

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:08:22 +0000, "
wrote:

I wonder if they have ever considered zoning the country, similar to
what is done for transport in the Netherlands, so that one card or set
of cards is good for rail and bus transport throughout.

Indeed, if you went for a very simple implementation, an electronic
purse smart card would be easy to do, particularly for buses. It's
things like capping and standardised fares that make it difficult.


The main thing that makes it difficult is deciding what to deduct on entry.
obviously a First Class 'National pre pay card' would need to hold a balance
of something over £1000 on journey commencement...

Paul S

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

"Ian F." wrote in message
...
"Sky Rider" wrote in message
...

According to Southern it should be enabled tomorrow.

http://www.southernrailway.com/ticke...s/oyster-card/

Yup, had an e-mail from the Tooting MP to tell us about it and how
tirelessly *he'd* been working to enable it - load of total ********!

It's certainly a start - let's hope the scheme grows quickly.

TfL announced in one of the recent mayoral briefing papers that 2 Jan is the
NR go live date throughout the zones.

In a u.t.l thread a few days ago I was asking about Zone G - 'c2c fares
outside zone 6'...

Paul S

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

Paul Scott wrote:
"Neil Williams" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 07 Nov 2009 13:08:22 +0000, "
wrote:

I wonder if they have ever considered zoning the country, similar to
what is done for transport in the Netherlands, so that one card or set
of cards is good for rail and bus transport throughout.

Indeed, if you went for a very simple implementation, an electronic
purse smart card would be easy to do, particularly for buses. It's
things like capping and standardised fares that make it difficult.


The main thing that makes it difficult is deciding what to deduct on entry.
obviously a First Class 'National pre pay card' would need to hold a balance
of something over £1000 on journey commencement...

Paul S


Or they could bill people for the journey afterwards.

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:11:50 -0000, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

The main thing that makes it difficult is deciding what to deduct on entry.
obviously a First Class 'National pre pay card' would need to hold a balance
of something over £1000 on journey commencement...

You probably wouldn't need to go that far, because mainline services
would presumably retain on-board ticket inspections, where a
non-validated card would presumably receive a penalty, payable
separately.

(By the same rules, you should charge a £150-ish deposit to anyone
buying a paper ticket at Euston to South Hampstead just in case they
go to Manchester).

Neil

--
Neil Williams
Put my first name before the at to reply.

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

On 8 Nov, 12:33, (Neil Williams) wrote:
On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:11:50 -0000, "Paul Scott"

wrote:
The main thing that makes it difficult is deciding what to deduct on entry.
obviously a First Class 'National pre pay card' would need to hold a balance
of something over £1000 on journey commencement...

You probably wouldn't need to go that far, because mainline services
would presumably retain on-board ticket inspections, where a
non-validated card would presumably receive a penalty, payable
separately.

(By the same rules, you should charge a £150-ish deposit to anyone
buying a paper ticket at Euston to South Hampstead just in case they
go to Manchester).

It is perfectly reasonable and justified to deduct £1000 on entry, and
also to put up the cash fare for all local journeys to £1000.

The amount is irrelevant. The principle is either justified or it
isn't.

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere.... but if I
were to use a PAYG Oyster card between Balham and Victoria, or Balham
and Shepherds Bush, how much would I be charged? And would it be
cheaper for me to buy an ordinary National Rail return fare if I was
doing a return? (seeing NR turn-up-and-go returns are approx the same
as a single).

Thx
Phil

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

On Nov 8, 6:11*pm, zzzz wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere.... * but if I
were to use a PAYG Oyster card between Balham and Victoria, or Balham
and Shepherds Bush, how much would I be charged? * And would it be
cheaper for me to buy an ordinary National Rail return fare if I was
doing a return? (seeing NR turn-up-and-go returns are approx the same
as a single).

Thx
Phil

Balham - Victoria on Oyster PAYG single is £2.60, £2 off peak.

Anytime day return would be £5.30, off-peak return £4.10.

The single fares charged on Oyster can be found on the TfL "single
fare finder" page at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...t/Default.aspx

~cj

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

cj wrote in
:

On Nov 8, 6:11*pm, zzzz wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere.... * but if I
were to use a PAYG Oyster card between Balham and Victoria, or Balham
and Shepherds Bush, how much would I be charged? * And would it be
cheaper for me to buy an ordinary National Rail return fare if I was
doing a return? (seeing NR turn-up-and-go returns are approx the same
as a single).

Thx
Phil

Balham - Victoria on Oyster PAYG single is £2.60, £2 off peak.

Anytime day return would be £5.30, off-peak return £4.10.

The single fares charged on Oyster can be found on the TfL "single
fare finder" page at
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...der/current/De
fault.aspx

~cj

Note that the PAYG definition of "peak" is different from the Southern one,
so if you are starting your journey after 09.30 but coming back in the
evening peak (16.30-19.30) a paper ticket will be cheaper than PAYG.

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:33:59 GMT, Neil Williams wrote:

The main thing that makes it difficult is deciding what to deduct on entry.
obviously a First Class 'National pre pay card' would need to hold a balance
of something over £1000 on journey commencement...

You probably wouldn't need to go that far, because mainline services
would presumably retain on-board ticket inspections, where a
non-validated card would presumably receive a penalty, payable
separately.

(By the same rules, you should charge a £150-ish deposit to anyone
buying a paper ticket at Euston to South Hampstead just in case they
go to Manchester).

Not really. The issue with PAYG smartcards would be that you could
touch in at Euston, get checked on a train to Manchester (and be found
to have a validated card), then avoid touching out at Manchester (e.g.
use a different ticket at the barriers, or an ungated station, etc).
What fare should you get charged then?

LU deals with this by charging you the maximum possible fare if you
touch in without touching out. Hence talk of a £1000 charge for
mainline services.

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

In message
s.com of Sun, 8 Nov 2009 10:33:18 in uk.transport.london, cj
writes
On Nov 8, 6:11*pm, zzzz wrote:
Apologies if this has already been answered elsewhere.... * but if I
were to use a PAYG Oyster card between Balham and Victoria, or Balham
and Shepherds Bush, how much would I be charged? * And would it be
cheaper for me to buy an ordinary National Rail return fare if I was
doing a return? (seeing NR turn-up-and-go returns are approx the same
as a single).

Thx
Phil

Balham - Victoria on Oyster PAYG single is £2.60, £2 off peak.

That is curious; the corresponding LU fares are £2.70 & £2.20.

Oyster's helpline only explained "National Rail sets its own fares".
I trust an unholy row will start in January.

Both define peak hours as: "Monday to Friday from 0630 to 0930 and from
1600 to 1900."


Anytime day return would be £5.30, off-peak return £4.10.

The single fares charged on Oyster can be found on the TfL "single
fare finder" page at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/faresandtickets/
farefinder/current/Default.aspx

~cj

--
Walter Briscoe

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

On 9 Nov, 01:57, asdf wrote:
On Sun, 08 Nov 2009 12:33:59 GMT, Neil Williams wrote:
The main thing that makes it difficult is deciding what to deduct on entry.
obviously a First Class 'National pre pay card' would need to hold a balance
of something over £1000 on journey commencement...

You probably wouldn't need to go that far, because mainline services
would presumably retain on-board ticket inspections, where a
non-validated card would presumably receive a penalty, payable
separately.

(By the same rules, you should charge a £150-ish deposit to anyone
buying a paper ticket at Euston to South Hampstead just in case they
go to Manchester).

Not really. The issue with PAYG smartcards would be that you could
touch in at Euston, get checked on a train to Manchester (and be found
to have a validated card), then avoid touching out at Manchester (e.g.
use a different ticket at the barriers, or an ungated station, etc).
What fare should you get charged then?

LU deals with this by charging you the maximum possible fare if you
touch in without touching out. Hence talk of a £1000 charge for
mainline services.

But don't forget that on the LU principle, a paper single from
Manchester Piccadilly to Oxford Road would be £1000 anyway.

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

How does PAYG Oyster deal with first class travel?

I don't actually see that it can, other than buying a (paper?) excess
ticket.

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

Walter Briscoe wrote in news:00Nf1
:


Balham - Victoria on Oyster PAYG single is £2.60, £2 off peak.

That is curious; the corresponding LU fares are £2.70 & £2.20.

Oyster's helpline only explained "National Rail sets its own fares".
I trust an unholy row will start in January.


If you think that is bad, try Balham to Sloane Square

Balham (London Underground) to Sloane Square

Cash £4.00
Oyster Peak £ 2.70
Oyster Off-Peak £2.20


Balham (National Rail) to Sloane Square

Oyster Peak £ 3.70
Oyster Off-Peak £3.10

(the latter being the PAYG variant of the National Rail Z3-U1 fare)

It's called "integrated transport"....

David

Oyster PAYG twixt Viccy and Balham
 

On 9 Nov, 18:59, David Jackman pleasereplytogroup wrote:
Walter Briscoe wrote in news:00Nf1
:



Balham - Victoria on Oyster PAYG single is £2.60, £2 off peak.

That is curious; the corresponding LU fares are £2.70 & £2.20.

Oyster's helpline only explained "National Rail sets its own fares".
I trust an unholy row will start in January.

If you think that is bad, try Balham to Sloane Square

Balham (London Underground) to Sloane Square

Cash *£4.00
Oyster Peak *£ 2.70
Oyster Off-Peak *£2.20

Balham (National Rail) to Sloane Square

Oyster Peak *£ 3.70
Oyster Off-Peak *£3.10

(the latter being the PAYG variant of the National Rail Z3-U1 fare)

It's called "integrated transport"....

But is the NR cash fare going up?