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It may not be the tube's fault. But it depends how the tube dealt
with the problem. Whether it went out of its way to help its
customers. Or told them all to get off the train and **** off into
the rain.


What would you have had them do? Call a taxi for every single customer?

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Assuming the telephone system was not affected, I don't see how Connex
(or indeed any other TOC) couldn't have uploaded a simple message in
the same situation.


Because that is too sensible
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It may not be the tube's fault. But it depends how the tube dealt
with the problem. Whether it went out of its way to help its
customers. Or told them all to get off the train and **** off into
the rain.


I heard someone shouting becuase they still had the power to sell tickets
('apparently')
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In article , Terry Harper
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There would
not be a standby generator, but a standby power station. Think in
terms of the size of some of the old ones.


Yes, it would be a big gas turbine. Would a few hundred MW be adequate, do
you think?


Dinorwig (Llanberis) was designed as a power station for fast backup.
1,728MW available within 16 seconds, apparently.
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Richard Catlow said:

From our records, we have never experienced a simultaneous loss
of two supergrid sites in the London area before now and it is
not a contingency we plan for, ...


(Our records? Who are 'we'?)

Two large failures seven seconds apart is stretching coincidence a
bit don't you think?

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Wanderer said:

A system transformer failure ay Hurst in Kent, followed some 7
seconds later by a fault on a 275kv underground cable between
their New Cross and Wimbledon substations.


Apparently two unrelated faults seven seconds apart. Stretching
coincidence a bit far don't you think?

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Chris Game wrote:

Wanderer said:

A system transformer failure ay Hurst in Kent, followed some 7
seconds later by a fault on a 275kv underground cable between
their New Cross and Wimbledon substations.


Apparently two unrelated faults seven seconds apart. Stretching
coincidence a bit far don't you think?


Not really. The system may be designed to tolerate either fault in
isolation, but both together cause a failure.

You don't know how many times similar problems have occurred in the
past, but gone unnoticed because there was no impact on customers.


Matthew.

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"Wanderer" wrote in message
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A system transformer failure ay Hurst in Kent, followed some 7 seconds
later by a fault on a 275kv underground cable between their New Cross and
Wimbledon substations.


Where exactly is Hurst in Kent?

Peter


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In article , David H Wild
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The power failure lasted just over half an hour - and there was no chain
reaction in the way that happened in North America.


Surely the second failure, after 7 seconds, was a chain reaction. Even
if there wasn't a third link in that chain.
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