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Old February 11th 08, 03:58 PM posted to uk.transport.london
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Default Harrow Bus Station bottleneck

On Feb 11, 4:16 pm, Andy wrote:

Cars for the St. Ann's Car Park have to use Kymberley Road to use the
car park. Sure some buses park up in Kymberley Road, were would you
put then if you have split the bus station either side of the railway?


Once mostly the buses which start from Harrow Bus Station have to
enter the Bus Station there will be enough place inside the Bus
Station to park them there. 340, H9, H10, H11, H17 and 223 are the
buses. H18 & H19 being at half hour interval normally has no time to
get them parked.

And surely the point of a bus station is that every bus calls there
and so makes changing between routes easy.


If buses going one way continue to stop at the Bus Station and those
going in opposite direction can stop on the Hill side of tube station,
the area that is used for Buses on Rail Replacement Service.


No one changing a bus will be inconvenienced.


People coming for shopping from one direction get off at St George's
sto and those coming from opposite direction get off on station road
between Iceland Store and Barclay's Bank. In fact this point is used
for changing buses.


How do you define directions? Bus routes don't just do West - East inHarrow, but North - South as well. Five of the current routes goto


Northwick Park hospital and during the day you can see quite a few
people changing onto buses heading in that direction. Many of those
passengers won't want to walk across the bridge atHarrow-on-the-Hill
just because their bus was going in the wrong direction.


From which bus would you say a passenger changes into a Hospital bus
at current Harrow Bus Station?


Several of the routes (such as the H9/10,H11,H14,114) either don't go
down Greenhill Road and past the stop behind the St. George's Center,
or down Station Road.


H14 travelling towards Hospital can have a stop where Headstone Rd &
GreenHill way meet. People can be in shopping centre just as fast.

114 bringing passengers for shopping from South Harrow side can
offload them at 2 points on Station Road. Other buses being of Harrow
Station will go in that Station as they are going now.

114, 183, 140 and H14 can go to Harrow station one way. 140 if taken
on to Sheepcote Rd+Gayton Road while going towards Heathrow will not
have to enter tha Bus Station to come out on College Road.

182, 258 and 186 need not go to Harrow Bus Station at all.

Harrowbus station is also
in a good place for the shopping centers. Station Road would not be
nearly so convenient, for eitherHarrow-on-the-Hill station nor most
of the shops


I personally find thatHarrowBus station works quite well with easy
connections to the Metropolitan line.


Passengers from Hill side, particularly the old people, have to climb
up and down the stairs of tube station to access the Bus Station. With
2nd part of the Bus Station becoming active on the Hill side those
passengers will be saved from unnecessary trouble.


Any what of the elderly people who would want to change from a route
on one side of the bus station to one on the other?


Again from which numbered bus to which numbered Bus, please.


Harrow-on-the-Hill
station will have step-free access by 2013 (I don't know what the
exact date is) which will make their access easier anyway.


I am told there is no money for next 10 years.

Also, if
you have separated the directions of the buses then people from the
Hill side might be able to catch a bus 'on the flat' but will still
have to cross the railway when they get off the bus when they return.


For old people, and I am closing onto 70, walking from Iceland to the
Hillside of Tube station is easier than climbing the steps. Besides
coming from Hospital side can easily be made to touch the Hill side of
Tube Station.


By the way nobody coming to any of the shopping areas get down at Bus
station. Besides St George's Shopping Mall they get down on either on
Green Hill way or on Station Road.


Hmm, amazing the number of people with shopping that you can see at
the Bus station with shopping if it is so inconvenient for the
shopping centers.


They can catch all the buses they need either at the Bus Station or on
Station Road once shopping is done.

In fact if Ramps are provided for people travelling on tube station to
come out into the Bus Station or in the St. Ann's shopping mall there
will be much freer movement of vehicular traffic on College Road.


I got the feeling that tfl andHarrowCouncil do not wish to make any
change anywhere. They wish to solve the problem with expensive,
unrealistic, 10 years from now strategy. Components of which are, make
one way Station Road section two way, build over-bridge onHarrowTube
station for which they have no money.