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D7666 wrote:
On Dec 4, 10:05 pm, "
wrote:

Didn't know any unmanned operation was allowed! I'll have to look out
for one next time I'm on the DLR!

It's done in Vienna.

Please explain.

--
Nick


At one end stop, can't remember which, the driver orders everybody off
the train. Then the driver himself gets off the train, and approaches a
small box, which he opens. He then inserts and turns a key, which sets
the train off into the shunting area.

Same driver then walks to the other end of the platform, opens a similar
box, inserts and turns same key. This brings the trains out of the
shunting area and the cab right in front of him.

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D7666 wrote on 05 December 2009 20:20:33 ...

[snip]
Digressing, PEDs on the Jubilee were not put there for safety - they
are there because the JLE has a tunnel ventilation system. I am of the
understanding that TV is - if not a requirement of new underground
lines - the only means to meet certain other conditions such as
smoke evacuation and/or environmental conditions. Crossrail is having
PEDs for that reason - not platform edge safety (even if the media
people have dressed it up otherwise). I am certainly of the
understanding that Paris stations with PEDs are also for TV
relief, not platform/train safety.

Re Paris: It's possible that the PEDs on line 14 were for both
purposes. But the PEDs now being installed at every station on line 1
have been presented to the public as being necessary for the
introduction of unmanned trains. I can't think of any other reason for
them.

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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On Dec 5, 11:39*pm, "Richard J." wrote:

have been presented to the public as being necessary for the
introduction of unmanned trains. *I can't think of any other reason for
them.

As they are for Crossrail.

But thats not the real reason.

--
Nick

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On Dec 5, 10:59*pm, "
wrote:

Didn't know any unmanned operation was allowed! *I'll have to look out
for one next time I'm on the DLR!

It's done in Vienna.

Please explain.
At one end stop, can't remember which, the driver orders everybody off
the train. Then the driver himself gets off

Well interesting that it is, this has nothing to do with what we are
discussing.

Remote control of trains not carrying passengers is many many years
old. Witness the Post Offcie railway if one needs a UK example.

We are discussing passenger carrying trains, not empty ones, or those
not carrying people.

--
Nick

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On Dec 5, 11:56*pm, D7666 wrote:
On Dec 5, 11:39*pm, "Richard J." wrote:

have been presented to the public as being necessary for the
introduction of unmanned trains. *I can't think of any other reason for
them.

As they are for Crossrail.

But thats not the real reason.

--
Nick

Errrrr don't read that as me thinking Crossrail trains are un-
manned :o)

--
Nick

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In message
Roland Perry wrote:

In message , at 11:43:09 on Fri, 4
Dec 2009, Graeme remarked:
The acceleration on the T5 transit is quite impressive.

I've missed that one but then I usually access T5 by road from the west.

The transit is airside, so it doesn't matter which way you approached
the terminal.

By road from the west as opposed to by plane from the east.

--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/

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D7666 wrote on 05 December 2009 23:56:35 ...
On Dec 5, 11:39 pm, "Richard J." wrote:

Re Paris: It's possible that the PEDs on line 14 were for both
purposes. But the PEDs now being installed at every station on line 1
have been presented to the public as being necessary for the
introduction of unmanned trains. I can't think of any other reason for
them.

As they are for Crossrail.

But thats not the real reason.

Not sure if that last remark applies to Crossrail (which you've already
commented on) or Paris. If the latter, what do you think is the real
reason?

--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)

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In message , at 00:08:22 on Sun, 6
Dec 2009, Graeme remarked:
The acceleration on the T5 transit is quite impressive.

I've missed that one but then I usually access T5 by road from the west.

The transit is airside, so it doesn't matter which way you approached
the terminal.

By road from the west as opposed to by plane from the east.

The people I met at T5 who had just used the shuttle, arrived by plane
from the west :) I stood outside in the T5 carpark watching the flights
coming in, but only after having scouted out the new pod-train track and
station, which was all boarded up at the time.
--
Roland Perry

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"D7666" wrote

We are discussing passenger carrying trains, not empty ones, or those
not carrying people.

But we are all used to unstaffed passenger-carrying vehicles which follow a
vertical route. They do in general have 'platform-edge doors).

Peter

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On 6 Dec, 12:24, "Peter Masson" wrote:
"D7666" wrote



We are discussing passenger carrying trains, not empty ones, or those
not carrying people.

But we are all used to unstaffed passenger-carrying vehicles which follow a
vertical route. They do in general have 'platform-edge doors).


There seems to be a bit of a mix-up here between legal requirements
and whether individuals (including me) are uneasy at the thought of
being dragged to death by their anorak string, legal requirement or
not.

Also, the assumption that PEDs are the solution in any case may just
happen to follow from an observation that they are present with a lot
of fully automated railways. (I think they create problems of their
own: another thing to break down and another thing to get trapped in).

The detection in lifts is probably more sophisticated than on the DLR,
one is never far from a button that can be pressed. In the DLR the
time taken to notice, jump up and find the button is long enough for
someone to be killed.

Legal requirement or not, I would rather that the DLR remained staffed.