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Paul Scott wrote:
Recliner wrote: And which other UK railway is 100% MIP accessible? Tyne Wear Metro - but it predates the DLR, and isn't in London, so you mustn't mention it... The Chesham shuttle? -- We are the Strasbourg. Referendum is futile. |
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"Paul Scott" wrote in message
Recliner wrote: And which other UK railway is 100% MIP accessible? Tyne Wear Metro - but it predates the DLR, and isn't in London, so you mustn't mention it... I must admit I've never travelled on it, and didn't realise. I'm impressed to hear it, though. |
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Recliner wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrote in message Recliner wrote: And which other UK railway is 100% MIP accessible? Tyne Wear Metro - but it predates the DLR, and isn't in London, so you mustn't mention it... I must admit I've never travelled on it, and didn't realise. I'm impressed to hear it, though. There are some caveats though, in that some of the ramped access to original BR platforms is steeper than current standards, and some access between platforms requires use of local roads/pavements. But given that they had to make do with some pretty dilapidated buildings outside the central area, they made a pretty good job of it generally. Paul S |
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On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:54:27 -0000, "Recliner"
wrote: wrote in message On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:05:42 +0100 Jarle H Knudsen wrote: Why didn't they plan for this when they built it the first time? The DLR was initially built on the cheap so lots of patch and mend has been done in the meantime. If they'd built it properly to start with then it would no doubt have cost far less in total by now but I suppose back in 1987 there was no guarantee that docklands would take off as a business centre so I guess they didn't want to invest huge amounts in a system that might have turned out to be a train to nowhere. There's no way that it would have been built at all had the original plan been to build what's now there. It was only because it was so cheap that the plan went ahead. Exactly right. The winning contractor (John Mowlem) lost a huge amount of money on the job. I was involved in the tender that came second place. There was a £20 million margin between the two bids, and that is approximately the figure that Mowlem lost. Mowlem also developed London City Airport, and they lost a lot of money on that project too. The firm has since been taken over. |
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"Bruce" wrote in message
On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:54:27 -0000, "Recliner" wrote: wrote in message On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:05:42 +0100 Jarle H Knudsen wrote: Why didn't they plan for this when they built it the first time? The DLR was initially built on the cheap so lots of patch and mend has been done in the meantime. If they'd built it properly to start with then it would no doubt have cost far less in total by now but I suppose back in 1987 there was no guarantee that docklands would take off as a business centre so I guess they didn't want to invest huge amounts in a system that might have turned out to be a train to nowhere. There's no way that it would have been built at all had the original plan been to build what's now there. It was only because it was so cheap that the plan went ahead. Exactly right. The winning contractor (John Mowlem) lost a huge amount of money on the job. I was involved in the tender that came second place. There was a £20 million margin between the two bids, and that is approximately the figure that Mowlem lost. Yes, it's amazing that the original fixed-price contract was a minuscule £77m. Every one of the many extension projects must have cost far more than that. |
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On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 18:57:51 -0000, "Recliner"
wrote: "Bruce" wrote in message On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 15:54:27 -0000, "Recliner" wrote: wrote in message On Fri, 4 Dec 2009 14:05:42 +0100 Jarle H Knudsen wrote: Why didn't they plan for this when they built it the first time? The DLR was initially built on the cheap so lots of patch and mend has been done in the meantime. If they'd built it properly to start with then it would no doubt have cost far less in total by now but I suppose back in 1987 there was no guarantee that docklands would take off as a business centre so I guess they didn't want to invest huge amounts in a system that might have turned out to be a train to nowhere. There's no way that it would have been built at all had the original plan been to build what's now there. It was only because it was so cheap that the plan went ahead. Exactly right. The winning contractor (John Mowlem) lost a huge amount of money on the job. I was involved in the tender that came second place. There was a £20 million margin between the two bids, and that is approximately the figure that Mowlem lost. Yes, it's amazing that the original fixed-price contract was a minuscule £77m. Every one of the many extension projects must have cost far more than that. I couldn't remember the exact value of Mowlem's bid, so thanks for that. Our bid was £102 million, so the difference was all of £25 million. It was important for Mowlem to get that job. They were known as "London John" and there was an assumption that when it came to projects in Docklands, they would get most of the work. So there was probably an element of discounting to get the work. It worked, to an extent. Mowlem set up a Docklands office right next to the DLR and benefitted from being there when Olympia and York came alone and the Canary Wharf development exploded into life. From then on, the amount of work on offer went up by at least a factor of 10, and Mowlem were well placed to win a lot of it. They were always the firm to beat, and I took great pride that several of my own tenders came in below Mowlem's. The difference was, we never lost money on any of our Docklands projects, while Mowlem lost a fortune on the DLR and again on City Airport. To be fair to Mowlem, while they may have lost money, the standard of work did not suffer and both the DLR and airport were built to a high standard for such a low price. The DLR in particular has stood both the test of time and an increase in traffic to something like ten times what it was originally designed for. |
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In message , Paul Terry
writes In message , PhilD writes I've read that South Quay station was "moved" recently (OK, not actually moved, but replaced, but you know what I mean). What I haven't ascertained though is which way? Towards Canary Wharf, or towards Lewisham? About 125 yards east, towards Canary Wharf. It was done because the reverse curves on the track prevented the original platforms being extended for three-car units. It's now on the straight section south of Admirals Way. Yes east, but that is away from Canary Wharf, not to it. -- Paul G Typing from Barking |
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In message , Paul G
writes In message , Paul Terry writes In message , PhilD writes I've read that South Quay station was "moved" recently (OK, not actually moved, but replaced, but you know what I mean). What I haven't ascertained though is which way? Towards Canary Wharf, or towards Lewisham? About 125 yards east, towards Canary Wharf. It was done because the reverse curves on the track prevented the original platforms being extended for three-car units. It's now on the straight section south of Admirals Way. Yes east, but that is away from Canary Wharf, not to it. Apologies, west (not east!, late-night-ness error detected), away from Canary Wharf. -- Paul G Typing from Barking |
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On Dec 5, 10:37*am, Paul G wrote:
In message , Paul G writes In message , Paul Terry writes In message , PhilD writes I've read that South Quay station was "moved" recently (OK, not actually moved, but replaced, but you know what I mean). What I haven't ascertained though is which way? *Towards Canary Wharf, or towards Lewisham? About 125 yards east, towards Canary Wharf. It was done because the reverse curves on the track prevented the original platforms being extended for three-car units. It's now on the straight section south of Admirals Way. Yes east, but that is away from Canary Wharf, not to it. Apologies, west (not east!, late-night-ness error detected), away from Canary Wharf. -- Paul G Typing from Barking No, east, away from Canary Wharf! This has all got rather confusing. It's further along towards Crossharbour, anyway |
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On 5 Dec, 18:05, SamB wrote:
On Dec 5, 10:37*am, Paul G wrote: In message , Paul G writes In message , Paul Terry writes In message , PhilD writes I've read that South Quay station was "moved" recently (OK, not actually moved, but replaced, but you know what I mean). What I haven't ascertained though is which way? *Towards Canary Wharf, or towards Lewisham? About 125 yards east, towards Canary Wharf. It was done because the reverse curves on the track prevented the original platforms being extended for three-car units. It's now on the straight section south of Admirals Way. Yes east, but that is away from Canary Wharf, not to it. Apologies, west (not east!, late-night-ness error detected), away from Canary Wharf. -- Paul G Typing from Barking No, east, away from Canary Wharf! This has all got rather confusing. It's further along towards Crossharbour, anyway I'm surprised that no one has been along to say "it's a north-south railway, and therefore it's to the south". (Like leaving Cockfosters, initially heading east and then heading south, both of which have to be referred to as west, apparently.) Talking of things further along, the stopping positions of the trains are gradually changing. At Limehouse and West India Quay, the positions changed some time ago, but strangely they seem to be stopping further from the buffers at Lewisham as well. Presumably the platforms have been extended by more than at other stations, or else they'll have to move back when the trains get longer. |
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