Currently, if you touch in at Homerton and out at Kew Gardens without
any touches in between, it (presumably) charges you the Z2-3 fare.
This must apply even if you change to the Vic at Hi&I and go via Z1
(as the system has no way of knowing that you took that route because
there are no OSIs along the way).

It'd be a bit harsh if they changed this during the closure.

Yes thanks - but I can equally well see that they may just work on the
basis that it's my choice whether to take the tube or several buses

Whether you get gripped along the way is irrelevant.

I can see that the grippers wouldn't necessarily know I was not getting
off *in* Zone 1 and touching out there. On the other hand they could if
were gripped while transiting from zone 1 to zone 2. And I am reminded
that the Oyster Travelcards certainly don't get such a break. TfL have
made explicit that there is no concessionary travel via Zone 1 for them
during NLL closures. See eg
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...osures-FAQ.pdf

Confused? Moi?

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R

On 6 Dec, 10:35, "neverwas" wrote:
I can see that the grippers wouldn't necessarily know I was not getting
off *in* Zone 1 and touching out there. *On the other hand they could if
were gripped while transiting from zone 1 to zone 2.

One of the tenets of PAYG is that you can take any route you like as
long as you touch in and out at either end, and TfL takes
responsibility for choosing the correct fare. If the system guesses
wrongly about which route you took, it's their problem, not yours.
Even using a pink validator doesn't bar you from zone 1 - the route is
defined as "A to B via pink validator C", not "A to B avoiding zone
1".

The only time a gripper might ask questions is if you're caught on a
train travelling towards the location you supposedly touched in at.

U

"Mr Thant" wrote in message
...
On 6 Dec, 10:35, "neverwas" wrote:
I can see that the grippers wouldn't necessarily know I was not
getting
off *in* Zone 1 and touching out there. On the other hand they could
if
were gripped while transiting from zone 1 to zone 2.

One of the tenets of PAYG is that you can take any route you like as
long as you touch in and out at either end, and TfL takes
responsibility for choosing the correct fare. If the system guesses
wrongly about which route you took, it's their problem, not yours.
Even using a pink validator doesn't bar you from zone 1 - the route is
defined as "A to B via pink validator C", not "A to B avoiding zone
1".

I think if someone was spotted getting off the Central line at
Stratford, going to the NLL platforms to touch the validator, before
returning to the Central line that would be considered deliberate fare
evasion.

Peter Smyth

I'm grateful and (I think) persuaded. It still feels wrong compared
with the treatment of travelcards but I suppose they get their reward in
lower prices (leaving aside 3 month blockades).
--
R

On 6 Dec, 21:47, "neverwas" wrote:
I'm grateful and (I think) persuaded. *It still feels wrong compared
with the treatment of travelcards but I suppose they get their reward in
lower prices (leaving aside 3 month blockades).
--
R

It seems as if PAYG and travelcards might both have a disadvantage
over point-to-point tickets when it comes to diversionary routes.

It never seems fair to pay the same for a longer, diverted journey,
let alone more, but that's a general problem.

MIG wrote:
On 6 Dec, 21:47, "neverwas" wrote:
I'm grateful and (I think) persuaded. It still feels wrong compared
with the treatment of travelcards but I suppose they get their
reward in lower prices (leaving aside 3 month blockades).
--
R

It seems as if PAYG and travelcards might both have a disadvantage
over point-to-point tickets when it comes to diversionary routes.

It never seems fair to pay the same for a longer, diverted journey,
let alone more, but that's a general problem.

Yes - the more so as I realise belatedly that the practicable routes
available to me in the absence of the NLL all seem to involve both
travel through Zone 1 and the assumption of travel through Zone 1. So I
think I revert to my original thought that the fare finder ought perhaps
to include a health warning about diversions. (I accept this is just a
subset of the more general point made by JD about integration of the
Fare Finder and Journey Planner.)
--
R

In message , neverwas
writes
I can see that the grippers wouldn't necessarily know I was not getting
off *in* Zone 1 and touching out there.

Isn't it much the same as if you cross London with a NR ticket from one
side of London to another with a + on it: you can cross zone 1 on the
tube but cannot validly get out except at designated NR terminus
stations?

On the other hand they could if
were gripped while transiting from zone 1 to zone 2.

Even so, you would be travelling on a valid Oyster ticket, having
touched in at the start; they wouldn't know where you are planning to
touch out, would they? Is there any requirement to re-touch en-route
to show the Oyster system that you are using a particular route (except
if it is to your advantage to show that you are using a cheaper route
such as one which avoids zone 1)? I don't think so.

It seems to me that such a journey is valid at all points, and if the
system charges you a cheaper fare on the assumption that you have used a
particular route, that is not your problem.

--
Clive Page