As well as the travel information for the festive period[1], TfL have
snuck onto their website a bit more information about the fares from
2nd January.

Of likely interest:
Single fare finder:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...refinder/next/

NR Railcard one day caps:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresa...ares/6769.aspx

NR Railcard discounted one day Travelcards:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresa...ets/11696.aspx

The main page for the 2010 fares is at http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/2930.aspx
As yet, there doesn't appear to be a PDF of the leaflet.

- martin


[1] http://www.tfl.gov.uk/gettingaround/13658.aspx

Single fare finder:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...refinder/next/

Many thanks for the links.

May I ask a numpty question about line closures and travel through Zone
1?

With the closure of the North London Line (NLL) in prospect I checked
the farefinder for (to take one example) Homerton to Kew Gardens. It
gave me an Oyster fare of £1.30 at any time. Fair (sic) enough.

But when I clicked through to "Plan this journey" for 2 January it
naturally routed me through Zone 1. And the same was true for the
period from 20 February when (IIRC) the NLL blockade starts.

Is the lower fare correct? Even if I am gripped (if that is the right
term) within Zone 1?

If not, should the farefinder have a health warning on the lines of "The
fares above assume you don't travel through Zone 1 unless you need to do
so. You [may][will] be charged more if you do in fact travel through
Zone 1 - even if you do so as a result of engineering works or other
events outside your control."

--
R

On Sat, 05 Dec 2009 17:05:59 GMT, neverwas wrote:

Single fare finder:
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/fa...refinder/next/

Many thanks for the links.

May I ask a numpty question about line closures and travel through Zone
1?

With the closure of the North London Line (NLL) in prospect I checked
the farefinder for (to take one example) Homerton to Kew Gardens. It
gave me an Oyster fare of £1.30 at any time. Fair (sic) enough.

But when I clicked through to "Plan this journey" for 2 January it
naturally routed me through Zone 1. And the same was true for the
period from 20 February when (IIRC) the NLL blockade starts.

Is the lower fare correct? Even if I am gripped (if that is the right
term) within Zone 1?

If not, should the farefinder have a health warning on the lines of "The
fares above assume you don't travel through Zone 1 unless you need to do
so. You [may][will] be charged more if you do in fact travel through
Zone 1 - even if you do so as a result of engineering works or other
events outside your control."

Currently, if you touch in at Homerton and out at Kew Gardens without
any touches in between, it (presumably) charges you the Z2-3 fare.
This must apply even if you change to the Vic at Hi&I and go via Z1
(as the system has no way of knowing that you took that route because
there are no OSIs along the way).

It'd be a bit harsh if they changed this during the closure.

Whether you get gripped along the way is irrelevant.

Currently, if you touch in at Homerton and out at Kew Gardens without
any touches in between, it (presumably) charges you the Z2-3 fare.
This must apply even if you change to the Vic at Hi&I and go via Z1
(as the system has no way of knowing that you took that route because
there are no OSIs along the way).

It'd be a bit harsh if they changed this during the closure.

Yes thanks - but I can equally well see that they may just work on the
basis that it's my choice whether to take the tube or several buses

Whether you get gripped along the way is irrelevant.

I can see that the grippers wouldn't necessarily know I was not getting
off *in* Zone 1 and touching out there. On the other hand they could if
were gripped while transiting from zone 1 to zone 2. And I am reminded
that the Oyster Travelcards certainly don't get such a break. TfL have
made explicit that there is no concessionary travel via Zone 1 for them
during NLL closures. See eg
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/assets/livetra...osures-FAQ.pdf

Confused? Moi?

--
R

On 6 Dec, 10:35, "neverwas" wrote:
I can see that the grippers wouldn't necessarily know I was not getting
off *in* Zone 1 and touching out there. *On the other hand they could if
were gripped while transiting from zone 1 to zone 2.

One of the tenets of PAYG is that you can take any route you like as
long as you touch in and out at either end, and TfL takes
responsibility for choosing the correct fare. If the system guesses
wrongly about which route you took, it's their problem, not yours.
Even using a pink validator doesn't bar you from zone 1 - the route is
defined as "A to B via pink validator C", not "A to B avoiding zone
1".

The only time a gripper might ask questions is if you're caught on a
train travelling towards the location you supposedly touched in at.

U

"Mr Thant" wrote in message
...
On 6 Dec, 10:35, "neverwas" wrote:
I can see that the grippers wouldn't necessarily know I was not
getting
off *in* Zone 1 and touching out there. On the other hand they could
if
were gripped while transiting from zone 1 to zone 2.

One of the tenets of PAYG is that you can take any route you like as
long as you touch in and out at either end, and TfL takes
responsibility for choosing the correct fare. If the system guesses
wrongly about which route you took, it's their problem, not yours.
Even using a pink validator doesn't bar you from zone 1 - the route is
defined as "A to B via pink validator C", not "A to B avoiding zone
1".

I think if someone was spotted getting off the Central line at
Stratford, going to the NLL platforms to touch the validator, before
returning to the Central line that would be considered deliberate fare
evasion.

Peter Smyth

In message , neverwas
writes
I can see that the grippers wouldn't necessarily know I was not getting
off *in* Zone 1 and touching out there.

Isn't it much the same as if you cross London with a NR ticket from one
side of London to another with a + on it: you can cross zone 1 on the
tube but cannot validly get out except at designated NR terminus
stations?

On the other hand they could if
were gripped while transiting from zone 1 to zone 2.

Even so, you would be travelling on a valid Oyster ticket, having
touched in at the start; they wouldn't know where you are planning to
touch out, would they? Is there any requirement to re-touch en-route
to show the Oyster system that you are using a particular route (except
if it is to your advantage to show that you are using a cheaper route
such as one which avoids zone 1)? I don't think so.

It seems to me that such a journey is valid at all points, and if the
system charges you a cheaper fare on the assumption that you have used a
particular route, that is not your problem.

--
Clive Page

On Dec 4, 4:28*pm, martin wrote:

The main page for the 2010 fares is athttp://www.tfl.gov.uk/tickets/faresandtickets/2930.aspx
As yet, there doesn't appear to be a PDF of the leaflet.

I've noticed posters appearing around the network for the new fares,
directing people to the fares website - no mention of 'pick up a
leaflet', and no sign of them in ticket offices yet either. I wonder
TfL have deemed it too expensive to produce one this year?

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
...

I thought there would also be the "World of Oyster" map made available
in print form but no sign of that either. Again it can't really be
tenable for that map not to be available in printed form - if National
Rail can publish a leaflet and a map I fail to see why TfL cannot do the
same.

The London Connections map, Dec 09 version, seems to achieve the same aim as
the 'World of Oyster' map by the simple expedient of adding a dotted line
round the zones, including zone 'W' and 'G'.

Obviously slightly different in that the rail routes predominate, and they
are colour coded by TOC, rather than by terminus, but there seems to be
little point in having two subtly different versions of the same info?

Paul S

Thanks for the updated info. There has been some continuity introduced
in the prices, for example the z1-6 discounted cap on Oyster PAYG used
to be £4.60, whereas the cash price of the discounted z1-6 paper
ticket OD Travelcard was £5.00. Both fares are now the same. £3.35 for
z2-6 cap ( including all the NR Lines within the zones) is a damn good
value in anyone's book !