This is quite misleading - it shows the fare from Clapham Junction to
Canary Wharf being £2.20 (£2.30 next year).

Now if I were to use PAYG in January I could assume that's what it
would cost, yet other tables suggest it could be £3.30, which I reckon
is the right price.

Would you have any comeback against them (assuming one had the
patience to tackle the Oyster helpline)?

On Dec 15, 12:21*pm, stan5001 wrote:
This is quite misleading - it shows the fare from Clapham Junction to
Canary Wharf being £2.20 (£2.30 next year).

Now if I were to use PAYG in January I could assume that's what it
would cost, yet other tables suggest it could be £3.30, which I reckon
is the right price.

Would you have any comeback against them (assuming one had the
patience to tackle the Oyster helpline)?

If you use PAYG from Clapham Junction into Waterloo and take the
Jubilee directly from Waterlook, then gbp3.30 is certainly the correct
fare.

I'm not quite sure what the score is if you use PAYG from Clapham
Junction into Victoria and change to the Jubilee at Westminster, as
that PAYG system went live this year.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

stan5001 wrote:
This is quite misleading - it shows the fare from Clapham Junction to
Canary Wharf being £2.20 (£2.30 next year).

Now if I were to use PAYG in January I could assume that's what it
would cost, yet other tables suggest it could be £3.30, which I reckon
is the right price.

If you click on the "Alternative Routes" option, you get £3.20 if you
pass through Zone 1, changing between LU and National Rail at Vauxhall,
Blackfriars, Cannon Street, Charing Cross, Embankment, London Bridge,
Victoria or Waterloo.

Take the "long way round" and do Clapham Junction - Willesden Junction -
Stratford - Canary Wharf (Jubbly) and it'll only cost you £1.30. (That
it'll take you approximately forever to do so is neither here nor there).

£2.30 appears the Tube/DLR/Overground PAYG rate, and would presumably
imply Clapham Jn - Canada Water (when the ELLX opens) - Canary Wharf.

Cheers,

Barry

stan5001 wrote:
This is quite misleading - it shows the fare from Clapham Junction to
Canary Wharf being £2.20 (£2.30 next year).

Now if I were to use PAYG in January I could assume that's what it
would cost, yet other tables suggest it could be £3.30, which I reckon
is the right price.

That will be the fare using TfL services only, eg LO changing onto LU
somewhere.

Click on the 'Alternative fares' button for the lower fares using LO via
Stratford and higher fares using NR via a mainline service to Vauxhall,
Victoria, Waterloo etc. Seems to be £3.20 though...

'Alternative fares' show the necessary routeing information

Paul S

Yes, but being pedantic, it does say underneath "Alternative Oyster
single fares, which may be cheaper, are available for this journey"

And, if you click on "Plan this journey" it suggests SWT to Waterloo
and thence Jubilee line.

So it is perfectly feasible for those not in the know to pay more than
they expected.

stan5001 wrote:
Yes, but being pedantic, it does say underneath "Alternative Oyster
single fares, which may be cheaper, are available for this journey"

And, if you click on "Plan this journey" it suggests SWT to Waterloo
and thence Jubilee line.

So it is perfectly feasible for those not in the know to pay more than
they expected.

If you are suggesting that the fare finder should default to the most likely
journey that will be made, such as the fastest or most direct, I agree
entirely.

Following the default that the journey planner comes up with would seem most
sensible.

Paul S

"Paul Corfield" wrote in message
news
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:32:12 -0000, "Paul Scott"

Following the default that the journey planner comes up with would seem
most
sensible.

Except that what the journey planner advises in a great many cases has
no relationship at all to what the fare finder may tell you in terms of
routes. You have to manipulate the journey planner options to replicate
what the fares finder tells you. In some cases the fare finder options
(for alternative fares) are so wide ranging in the lists of "valid"
stations for a given route that a number are, to my mind, mind boggling
and utterly illogical.

Er... right. Then maybe it should just explain what it is displaying by
default, eg for the example above it could explicitly say it is for an LO/LU
fare. Then the 'alternative fares' button note could read that other lower
OR higher fares may also be available. Stan's point is valid I think
though, because the typical traveller is probably going to go to Waterloo
for the Jubilee.

Paul S

On 15 Dec, 18:55, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Tue, 15 Dec 2009 14:32:12 -0000, "Paul Scott"





wrote:
stan5001 wrote:
Yes, but being pedantic, it does say underneath "Alternative Oyster
single fares, which may be cheaper, are available for this journey"

And, if you click on "Plan this journey" it suggests SWT to Waterloo
and thence Jubilee line.

So it is perfectly feasible for those not in the know to pay more than
they expected.

If you are suggesting that the fare finder should default to the most likely
journey that will be made, such as the fastest or most direct, I agree
entirely.

Following the default that the journey planner comes up with would seem most
sensible.

Except that what the journey planner advises in a great many cases has
no relationship at all to what the fare finder may tell you in terms of
routes. *You have to manipulate the journey planner options to replicate
what the fares finder tells you. In some cases the fare finder options
(for alternative fares) are so wide ranging in the lists of "valid"
stations for a given route that a number are, to my mind, mind boggling
and utterly illogical.
--
Paul C

One confusing issue with the farefinder is that the alternative routes
use groups of OSIs or purple validators where not all are sensible.
For example, Willesden Junction to Holland Park gives the interchanges
as "Kensington Olympia, Shepherds Bush or West Brompton". This
grouping always appears even where only one of these would be sensible
(Shepherds Bush in this case.)

On 15 Dec, 12:57, "Paul Scott" wrote:
That will be the fare using TfL services only, eg LO changing onto LU
somewhere.

I think the fare it gives you first is always what you'd be charged if
you didn't touch any barriers or readers along the way, which on some
journeys (like this one) assumes a cheaper route than the most
obvious.

U

Barry Salter wrote:


£2.30 appears the Tube/DLR/Overground PAYG rate, and would presumably
imply Clapham Jn - Canada Water (when the ELLX opens) - Canary Wharf.

Cheers,

Barry

Clapham Junction - West Brompton - Westminster - Canary Wharf?

[yes, I spent a long time analysing PAYG weirdnesses - the
Vauxhall/Elephant & Castle Easement being my particular favourite]

Tom