In article ,
(Peter Smyth) wrote:

Customers requesting a leaflet must be referred to the fares finder
on the TfL website, for current
and single fares from 2 January 2010.

*That* must be in breach of the DDA!
--
Colin Rosenstiel

I have been pondering recently whether it would be worthwhile for the
collective brains on u.t.l to put together an unofficial guide to
Oyster - with all the basic info that was previously in the booklet,
alongside the slightly more complex stuff that's not quite as widely
published, such as OSIs, split ticketing, and whether you can get
railcard-discounted PAYG capping when you're just travelling on buses.
Would anyone be interested in some kind of a web 2.0-type
collaboration?

I'd happily provide hosting for it and whatnot. I was going to FOI for
an updated OSI list in January to post on Reconnections anyway.

Just been nosing around London TravelWatch's webpage for Oyster on the
rails & the last para here -
http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/news.php?id=696, says

"Oyster Extension Permits

If your Travelcard is on Oyster, and you wish to travel outside your
zones, but still within London by national rail, you will now be
required to ??~set’ an Oyster Extension Permit before the start of
your journey at a ticket office or machine. If you do not do this, you
will liable for a penalty fare of £20, even if you have ample credit
on your card. If you have an annual ticket (Gold Card) it will be
cheaper (and equally as inconvenient) to get a paper extension, as you
need to currently"

OK, so please explain that last sentence.
"If you have an annual ticket (Gold Card) it will be cheaper (and
equally as inconvenient) to get a paper extension, as you need to
currently"

On 31 Dec, 14:28, Chris wrote:
Just been nosing around London TravelWatch's webpage for Oyster on the
rails & the last para here -http://www.londontravelwatch.org.uk/news.php?id=696, says

"Oyster Extension Permits

If your Travelcard is on Oyster, and you wish to travel outside your
zones, but still within London by national rail, you will now be
required to ??~set’ an Oyster Extension Permit before the start of
your journey at a ticket office or machine. If you do not do this, you
will liable for a penalty fare of £20, even if you have ample credit
on your card.

I am pretty sure that this is illegal. There is no way that it could
comply with the penalty fare rules.

I wonder if the DfT has specifically approved this extension of the
penalty fare scheme?

On Dec 31, 3:34*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 06:28:51 -0800 (PST), Chris



wrote:
"Oyster Extension Permits

If your Travelcard is on Oyster, and you wish to travel outside your
zones, but still within London by national rail, you will now be
required to ??~set’ an Oyster Extension Permit before the start of
your journey at a ticket office or machine. If you do not do this, you
will liable for a penalty fare of £20, even if you have ample credit
on your card. If you have an annual ticket (Gold Card) it will be
cheaper (and equally as inconvenient) to get a paper extension, as you
need to currently"

OK, so please explain that last sentence.
"If you have an annual ticket (Gold Card) it will be cheaper (and
equally as inconvenient) to get a paper extension, as you need to
currently"

I assume it means that because Gold Card holders are unable to have a
discount set on their Oyster card they might be disadvantaged by using
normal PAYG. However I fail to see why, given the £13 minimum fare M-F
for an adult Network discounted ticket that anyone would be concerned
about a Network discount for an extension ticket.

At weekends there is no minimum fare so it might be advantageous for
them to use their Network Card to obtain a 1/3 off an Anytime single or
return (given that there are no off peak tickets within the zones post
2/1/10).

I assume the inconvenience reference is London Travelwatch considering
the setting of an OEP to be as inconvenient as queuing at a ticket
office to purchase a ticket.

No - the inconvenience is that if I have a z12 Gold Card on Oyster
(which I do) and want the cheapest fare to Surbiton, then I still need
to queue up for a paper BZ2-Surbiton ticket, rather than getting an
IEP, touching in at Waterloo and touching out at Surbiton.

--
John Band
john at johnband dot org
www.johnband.org

In article ,
(Paul Corfield) wrote:

I hadn't appreciated what dreadful value for money the Network Card now
is given the minimum fare restrictions. I could, perhaps, understand a
peak times minimum fare but off peak? Are the trains really so full
that generating more marginal trips by offering standard discounts at
these times would be such a disaster?

It's mainly been more use from outside Greater London than within it since
the minimum weekday fare was set at £10 a few years ago. It's only ever
been usable at all after 10 am on weekdays but was good value for me, even
when I travelled to London four times or more a year for meetings. For
part time commuting its remains popular here in Cambridge. Now I have
moved to a Senior Railcard I get to work nearly an hour earlier.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On Dec 30, 9:52*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

Note that there are no fares booklets for the 2010 increase. They have
been abolished. *You are stuck with using the TfL website.

Not to worry, you can always call a friendly travel advisor on a local
020 number for information.

Oh, wait...


I have been pondering recently whether it would be worthwhile for the
collective brains on u.t.l to put together an unofficial guide to
Oyster - with all the basic info that was previously in the booklet,
alongside the slightly more complex stuff that's not quite as widely
published, such as OSIs, split ticketing, and whether you can get
railcard-discounted PAYG capping when you're just travelling on buses.
Would anyone be interested in some kind of a web 2.0-type
collaboration?

In article
,
(martin) wrote:

On Dec 30, 9:52*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

Note that there are no fares booklets for the 2010 increase. They have
been abolished. *You are stuck with using the TfL website.

Not to worry, you can always call a friendly travel advisor on a local
020 number for information.

Oh, wait...

I have been pondering recently whether it would be worthwhile for the
collective brains on u.t.l to put together an unofficial guide to
Oyster - with all the basic info that was previously in the booklet,
alongside the slightly more complex stuff that's not quite as widely
published, such as OSIs, split ticketing, and whether you can get
railcard-discounted PAYG capping when you're just travelling on buses.
Would anyone be interested in some kind of a web 2.0-type
collaboration?

What neither this nor TfL's provision give me is something I can look at
when I don't have access to the internet! That needs to be a document,
albeit possibly electronic as I tend to have my laptop with me, even if
not connected to the net. I can't think how often in the last year I have
dug out that PDF.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 31 Dec, 19:04, wrote:
What neither this nor TfL's provision give me is something I can look at
when I don't have access to the internet! That needs to be a document,
albeit possibly electronic as I tend to have my laptop with me, even if
not connected to the net. I can't think how often in the last year I have
dug out that PDF.

This document covers most things:
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/mayor...fares-2010.pdf

It's worth looking through the introduction text to see what changes
have been made.

U

Mr Thant wrote on 31 December
2009 19:45:46 ...
On 31 Dec, 19:04, wrote:
What neither this nor TfL's provision give me is something I can look at
when I don't have access to the internet! That needs to be a document,
albeit possibly electronic as I tend to have my laptop with me, even if
not connected to the net. I can't think how often in the last year I have
dug out that PDF.

This document covers most things:
http://www.london.gov.uk/mayor/mayor...fares-2010.pdf

It's worth looking through the introduction text to see what changes
have been made.

Did the Mayor actually sign that "Request for Mayoral Decision" or were
any changes made? I'm not inclined to trust what is only a proposal.

I urge everyone who is concerned about this to complain vigorously to
TfL and their elected GLA representatives/councillors/members or
whatever they are supposed to be called these days. (It's easier in
Paris where they are just "élus" - the elected ones.)
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)