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asdf · January 1st 10, 06:37 PM posted to uk.transport.london

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:20:56 -0600,
wrote:

[2010 fares document]

Why this bull headedness? Is it because London in effect no longer has
zonal fares because how you get to the zone changes the fares?

I have no idea at all. I was expecting a booklet to be published as
normal. While the 2010 package is undoubtedly more complex it is not
beyond a written explanation as evidenced by the TfL website. I expect
ticket selling staff have been getting it in the neck for weeks and that
next week will be hell for them.

My suspicion is that it is a combination of saving money and a continued
push to put everything on the web. While the web is a wonderful thing it
is not, IMO, a substitute for freely available printed documents. I have
similar grumbles about the lack of proper bus timetables.

It's also very hard on those without access to the internet or familiarity
with how to use it, mainly the old, if the internet is the only means of
access to information.

I'm surprised some disabled groups haven't got on to them. They don't get
free travel on NR or do they?

A disabled freedom pass does grant free travel on NR (and without the
M-F a.m. peak restriction that over-60s have).

[email protected] · January 1st 10, 09:18 PM posted to uk.transport.london

In article ,
lid (asdf) wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:20:56 -0600,
wrote:

[2010 fares document]

Why this bull headedness? Is it because London in effect no longer
has zonal fares because how you get to the zone changes the fares?

I have no idea at all. I was expecting a booklet to be published as
normal. While the 2010 package is undoubtedly more complex it is not
beyond a written explanation as evidenced by the TfL website. I
expect ticket selling staff have been getting it in the neck for
weeks and that next week will be hell for them.

My suspicion is that it is a combination of saving money and a
continued push to put everything on the web. While the web is a
wonderful thing it is not, IMO, a substitute for freely available
printed documents. I have similar grumbles about the lack of proper
bus timetables.

It's also very hard on those without access to the internet or
familiarity with how to use it, mainly the old, if the internet is
the only means of access to information.

I'm surprised some disabled groups haven't got on to them. They don't
get free travel on NR or do they?

A disabled freedom pass does grant free travel on NR (and without the
M-F a.m. peak restriction that over-60s have).

But is Freedom Pass eligibility wide enough for TfL to escape the DDA
non-compliance charge? Only London residents are entitled to Freedom
Passes for a start and not all Londoners who would have difficulty using
the web rather than paper are eligible AIUI.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Mark Bestley[_2_] · January 6th 10, 09:38 AM posted to uk.transport.london

asdf wrote:

On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 13:20:56 -0600,
wrote:

[2010 fares document]

It's also very hard on those without access to the internet or familiarity
with how to use it, mainly the old, if the internet is the only means of
access to information.

I'm surprised some disabled groups haven't got on to them. They don't get
free travel on NR or do they?

A disabled freedom pass does grant free travel on NR (and without the
M-F a.m. peak restriction that over-60s have).

The freedom pass page say that the M-F am peak restriction does hold on
NR. http://www.londoncouncils.gov.uk/freedompass/whenwhere/rail.htm

The only case I can see where the disabled pass is allowed where older
persons is not is Southern services between Clapham Junction and Harrow
& Wealdstone before 9.00am Monday to Friday. (from the map)

--
Mark

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