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But of course free market forces only work if people are charged for the
services (ie roads) that they use.


But, of course, free market forces only work if there's competition,
not a gang of armed thugs charging motorists an arm and a leg to drive
while stealing large chunks of the roads for their cronies in the bus
industry.


Hmm, I've been driving for 20 years and in all that time I've never
been accosted by a gang of armed thugs trying to charge me money.
Maybe you just live in a rough area, especially if they are trying to
steal the roads as well. Still, people will nick anything nowadays.

I agree with you, though: all roads should be privatised and all
motoring taxes should be abolished. Let private companies run the
roads instead.


And they will of course let you drive on their roads for nothing.

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But of course free market forces only work if people are charged for

the
services (ie roads) that they use.


But, of course, free market forces only work if there's competition,
not a gang of armed thugs charging motorists an arm and a leg to drive
while stealing large chunks of the roads for their cronies in the bus
industry.


Hmm, I've been driving for 20 years and in all that time I've never
been accosted by a gang of armed thugs trying to charge me money.
Maybe you just live in a rough area, especially if they are trying to
steal the roads as well. Still, people will nick anything nowadays.

I agree with you, though: all roads should be privatised and all
motoring taxes should be abolished. Let private companies run the
roads instead.


And they will of course let you drive on their roads for nothing.

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Mark






Well if we had a private company running the roads using all the revenue
from road road users, we would have much better roads than now, as they
would put a far higher proportion back into the road network.

Mikael


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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:43:32 -0000, "Mikael Armstrong"
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Well if we had a private company running the roads using all the revenue
from road road users, we would have much better roads than now, as they
would put a far higher proportion back into the road network.

If all the goods that are carried up and down the country in multi
wheel juggernauts every day of the week where shifted on to the rail
network our road network would stay in good shape for a lot longer.
I am sure that at least 50% of the goods that travel along the M1 and
M6 every day could quite easly be shunted onto the west coast line.
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:43:32 -0000, "Mikael Armstrong"
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Well if we had a private company running the roads using all the revenue
from road road users, we would have much better roads than now, as they
would put a far higher proportion back into the road network.

If all the goods that are carried up and down the country in multi
wheel juggernauts every day of the week where shifted on to the rail
network our road network would stay in good shape for a lot longer.
I am sure that at least 50% of the goods that travel along the M1 and
M6 every day could quite easly be shunted onto the west coast line.
Grant .


I think you'll find there is not enough capacity on the WCML to add
anything like 50% of the road frieght.
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On Fri, 21 Nov 2003 01:43:32 -0000, "Mikael Armstrong"
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Well if we had a private company running the roads using all the revenue
from road road users, we would have much better roads than now, as they
would put a far higher proportion back into the road network.

Mikael


Do you have any evidence to support the notion that a private company
would do this? Surely the idea is to spend the minimum on maintenance
etc to maximise profits (hence why the company running BNRR will
charge HGVs £11 each way).
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