How prey, do they propose to enforce the use of satellite and / or cellular
phone tracker systems for cars ?

This is a madly expensive way to TRY to solve congestion in relatively small
number of places.
And, as with petrol, people will just pay what it takes to go where they
want to go and when they want to go.
Congestion is self defeating anyway, so unless you build more roads, you may
as well do nothing !
It would be much better to concentrate of keeping the traffic moving, sort
of stand Livingstone on his stupid head....
Regards,
Martin

"Martin²" wrote in message
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How prey, do they propose to enforce the use of satellite and / or
cellular
phone tracker systems for cars ?

This is a madly expensive way to TRY to solve congestion in relatively
small
number of places.
And, as with petrol, people will just pay what it takes to go where they
want to go and when they want to go.
Congestion is self defeating anyway, so unless you build more roads, you
may
as well do nothing !
It would be much better to concentrate of keeping the traffic moving, sort
of stand Livingstone on his stupid head....
Regards,
Martin





Congestion charging is about keeping the traffic moving though. You remove
about 10% of the traffic by pricing it out, and then the traffic can move,
road capacity increases, and journey times drop ~30%

On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 22:38:15 -0000, "Martin²"
wrote:

How prey, do they propose to enforce the use of satellite and / or cellular
phone tracker systems for cars ?

They're trialling it with HGVs. Cars next, no doubt:

http://www.dft.gov.uk/stellent/group...ht_503872.hcsp

This is a madly expensive way to TRY to solve congestion in relatively small
number of places.
And, as with petrol, people will just pay what it takes to go where they
want to go and when they want to go.

Yes, but I suppose the rationale is that eventually you reach a point
where it becomes cheaper to use another mode. I know that surveys
suggest around 30% of motorists state that they will never switch
modes but that leaves 70% who might consider it..... Mind you - even
if they charged 50p/mile on the M6 it would still be cheaper than
Virgin on peak trains

Congestion is self defeating anyway, so unless you build more roads, you may
as well do nothing !
It would be much better to concentrate of keeping the traffic moving, sort
of stand Livingstone on his stupid head....
Regards,
Martin

Eh? Within the charging zone congestion has been reduced. I appreciate
that on the boundaries it has stayed the same (or perhaps increased)
but if (for example) there was a national charging scheme there
wouldn't be such precipices.

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In article ,
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How prey, do they propose to enforce the use of satellite and / or cellular
phone tracker systems for cars ?

Exactly the same way they forced speedlimiters on HGVs. Make it law.


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Conor
Exactly the same way they forced speedlimiters on HGVs. Make it law.

Law against a burnt fuse supplying power to the sat / gps tracker ?
Regards,
Martin

In article ,
says...
Conor
Exactly the same way they forced speedlimiters on HGVs. Make it law.

Law against a burnt fuse supplying power to the sat / gps tracker ?
Regards,

Sorry, I missed the point unless you were having a dig at HGVs in which
case may I point you to a recent DfT study?


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Hi. This is my friend, Jack ****, and you don't know him.

In article ,
says...
In article ,
says...
Conor
Exactly the same way they forced speedlimiters on HGVs. Make it law.

Law against a burnt fuse supplying power to the sat / gps tracker ?
Regards,

Sorry, I missed the point unless you were having a dig at HGVs in which
case may I point you to a recent DfT study?

Calm down, calm down! I don't think he's having a dig at truckers, but if
it was law that all cars were to be fitted with a GPS speed limiter, would
they have a law against the limiter having mysteriously blown a fuse due
to a wiring problem?

Out of interest, I've a feeling that if a truck has a non functioning
tachometer/limiter due to a blown fuse, that this is against the
regs/laws, and the truck must be taken out of active duty until it's
fixed. Just call me paranoid, but...

Pete.

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On Sat, 22 Nov 2003 18:46:46 -0000, Pete Smith
wrote:
Out of interest, I've a feeling that if a truck has a non functioning
tachometer/limiter due to a blown fuse, that this is against the
regs/laws, and the truck must be taken out of active duty until it's
fixed.
There must be quite a few on the roads in that condition I was on the
M61 the other day doing 60MPH and no less than half a dozen HGV's
went racing passed me eight wheel articulated's at that its time speed
cameras where erected on our motor ways .
Grant .

In article ,
says...

Calm down, calm down! I don't think he's having a dig at truckers, but if
it was law that all cars were to be fitted with a GPS speed limiter, would
they have a law against the limiter having mysteriously blown a fuse due
to a wiring problem?

See answer below. THere is a little leeway.

Out of interest, I've a feeling that if a truck has a non functioning
tachometer/limiter due to a blown fuse, that this is against the
regs/laws, and the truck must be taken out of active duty until it's
fixed. Just call me paranoid, but...

It doesn't have to be taken out of service but it must be notified
immediately and fixed at the earliest opportunity, i.e the same day. A
week later is insufficient.

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Hi. This is my friend, Jack ****, and you don't know him.

Pete Smith you missed the point, not read earlier posts.

We were discussing the proposed satellite / gps tracking and congestion
charging private cars
as proposed by the EU boffins aided and abetted by mad prof. Begg.
(not speed limiters)

I was questioning how they think they will enforce it.
What's to stop you disconnecting the device (e.g. blown fuse) or jamming the
GPS signals ?
Regards,
Martin