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On Jan 24, 11:19*am, Andy wrote:
On Jan 20, 9:28*am, "Paul Scott"
wrote:





wrote in message

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On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul *wrote in message
. ..

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? * Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least
were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty of the
ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot as of
yesterday. *But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased being
delivered for the moment.

The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule
(I think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and
153 still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have
slowed down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden
this month (006 and 003).

plus 154 still to arrive from the 378/1s, just realised that I'd
missed it.

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"Andy" wrote
Andy wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrte

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty
of the ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot
as of yesterday. But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased
being delivered for the moment.

The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule (I
think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and 153
still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have slowed
down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden this month
(006 and 003).

plus 154 still to arrive from the 378/1s, just realised that I'd missed
it.

That doesn't quite agree with what Platform 5 say the batches are. They (in
their new 2010 book) have:
378001-024 (to become 201-224): 3-car (to become 4-car) AC/DC units.
378225-234 4-car AC/DC units, + possibly the three extra units 378255-257.
378135-154 4-car DC units.

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On Jan 24, 12:58*pm, "John Salmon" wrote:
"Andy" wrote

Andy wrote:
"Paul Scott" wrte
The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty
of the ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot
as of yesterday. But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased
being delivered for the moment.
The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule (I
think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and 153
still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have slowed
down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden this month
(006 and 003).
plus 154 still to arrive from the 378/1s, just realised that I'd missed
it.

That doesn't quite agree with what Platform 5 say the batches are. *They (in
their new 2010 book) have:
378001-024 (to become 201-224): 3-car (to become 4-car) AC/DC units.
378225-234 4-car AC/DC units, + possibly the three extra units 378255-257..
378135-154 4-car DC units.

Gahhh, the joys of being interrupted when posting!! I was busy
changing the typo of 132 to 135 (and adding 154) but must have come
back and put a - in instead of deleting and missed the 154.

So it should have read: just units 135 and 153-154 still to come (from
the ELL units) and so the 378/1s are nearly complete and on schedule.
Deliveries of the 378/0 units have been continuing, just more slowly
with units 006 and 003 delivered this month.

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On 24.01.10 11:19, Andy wrote:
On Jan 20, 9:28 am, "Paul
wrote:
wrote in message

...





On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul wrote in message
...

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least
were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty of the
ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot as of
yesterday. But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased being
delivered for the moment.


The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule
(I think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and
153 still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have
slowed down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden
this month (006 and 003).

Is that why 313s are still operating on the line?

Because I had heard that they were due to be pulled from NLL by
December, yet they are still running.

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On Jan 24, 2:03*pm, "
wrote:
On 24.01.10 11:19, Andy wrote:





On Jan 20, 9:28 am, "Paul
wrote:
*wrote in message

...

On 19.01.10 22:38, Paul Scott wrote:
"Paul * *wrote in message
m...

One thing I would like to understand is whether it will be possible for
TfL to run any sort of "ghost" timetable south of New Cross Gate on NR
metals prior to 23/5/10? * Given that a major recast of Southern
services is required there must be a risk that LOROL "debug" the new bit
north of New Cross Gate but then find it a struggle to get to grips with
the service carrying on to Crystal Palace and West Croydon.

News just in Paul. A supplementary track access has been agreed, allowing
for 15 slots per day in each direction from 17th Jan until the timetable
change date:

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ion-letter.pdf

I read elsewhere that the signalled connections to NR were meant to come
into full time use last weekend, but the up connection signals at least
were
bagged over today .

Still, should see some 378s out and about through Sydenham pretty soon
now...

I would imagine that there are plenty to go around if building work is
finished and approved ahead of schedule?

The 378s? Somewhat behind schedule I think, although there are plenty of the
ELL variety available now. 10 or more units sitting at NXG depot as of
yesterday. *But 378/0s for the NLL/DC lines seem to have ceased being
delivered for the moment.

The deliveries of the 378/1s for the ELL are pretty much on schedule
(I think units 136-152 have already arrived, just leaving 132-135 and
153 still to come). The rate of deliveries of the 378/0s may have
slowed down, but there have been at least two arriving at Willesden
this month (006 and 003).

Is that why 313s are still operating on the line?

Because I had heard that they were due to be pulled from NLL by
December, yet they are still running.

Yes, there are not quite enough commissioned 378s for the NLL to
switch completely over (I think there are 16 diagrams on the NLL and
WLL combined and units on the two routes intermix in the peaks).

The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

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In article
,
(Andy) wrote:

The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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On Jan 24, 2:40*pm, wrote:
In article
,

(Andy) wrote:
The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?


The DC lines being the Euston - Watford 'local' lines. This is the
only route where LO use Driver Only Operation, hence delays in
introducing the 378s.

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On 24 Jan, 14:53, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:40:03 -0600,
wrote:

In article
,
(Andy) wrote:

The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

They clearly can run on the NLL and WLL - they do say M-S. There's next
to no Sunday *service at present.

I think the reference is to the Euston - Watford service which was
always going to be last to get the 378s. I've not read or seen a photo
saying that they have run on the Watford DC service yet.

They've certainly been physically there, but presumably not in
passenger service (one can't tell as one passes on another track).
There was one at Euston on Thursday.

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On Jan 24, 2:53*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:40:03 -0600,
wrote:

In article
,
(Andy) wrote:

The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

They clearly can run on the NLL and WLL - they do say M-S. There's next
to no Sunday *service at present.


They also run the Shepherd's Bush - Clapham Junction Sunday service (I
think both diagrams here are now scheduled 378s).

I think the reference is to the Euston - Watford service which was
always going to be last to get the 378s. I've not read or seen a photo
saying that they have run on the Watford DC service yet.

They've run one passenger service on the Watford service, some time
ago. I think this train had a second driver acting as conductor for
operating the doors. They do spend a fair amount of time running back
and forward Euston - Watford Junction on commissioning runs.

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On Jan 24, 2:40*pm, wrote:

(Andy) wrote:
The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

The "DC Line(s)" is one of the names given to the Watford Junction to
Euston local line - i.e. the one with the stopping service - it's also
known as the "New Line". The DC Line name comes from the fact they're
electrified by DC third rail / fourth rail on the joint running
section with the Bakerloo. The service is now run by London Overground
(used to be Silverlink Metro) and appears on the Tube map.

The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.