On Jan 24, 2:53*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:

On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 08:40:03 -0600,
wrote:

(Andy) wrote:
The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC lines,
something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the ELL?
Why would DOO come into it?

They clearly can run on the NLL and WLL - they do say M-S. There's next
to no Sunday *service at present.

I think the reference is to the Euston - Watford service which was
always going to be last to get the 378s. I've not read or seen a photo
saying that they have run on the Watford DC service yet.

Originally it was said that the 378s would be deployed on the DC Line
first, with the NLL/WLL coming later.

Mizter T wrote:

The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Given the route is already DOO, the basic class of train is already in
widespread use in DOO areas, and Bombardier are unlikely to have 'reinvented
the wheel' equipment wise, you would hope it's a minor issue.

Maybe the drivers want extra cash for looking at internal monitors rather
than external mirrors or something...

Paul S

On Jan 24, 5:50*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Given the route is already DOO, the basic class of train is already in
widespread use in DOO areas, and Bombardier are unlikely to have 'reinvented
the wheel' equipment wise, you would hope it's a minor issue.

Maybe the drivers want extra cash for looking at internal monitors rather
than external mirrors or something...

There were those rumblings of discontent at LOROL a while back. Did
the RMT go on a membership drive after the establishment of LO and
LOROL...

On Jan 24, 5:50*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:
Mizter T wrote:
The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Given the route is already DOO, the basic class of train is already in
widespread use in DOO areas, and Bombardier are unlikely to have 'reinvented
the wheel' equipment wise, you would hope it's a minor issue.

Maybe the drivers want extra cash for looking at internal monitors rather
than external mirrors or something...


Might just be lack of training, of course. Also I don't know whether
their might be problems at Bushey with the extremely curved platforms.
Does the Electrostar DOO have a separate camera for each coach.

On Jan 24, 7:03*pm, Paul Corfield wrote:
On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 10:34:56 -0800 (PST), Mizter T
wrote:







On Jan 24, 5:50*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Given the route is already DOO, the basic class of train is already in
widespread use in DOO areas, and Bombardier are unlikely to have 'reinvented
the wheel' equipment wise, you would hope it's a minor issue.

Maybe the drivers want extra cash for looking at internal monitors rather
than external mirrors or something...

There were those rumblings of discontent at LOROL a while back. Did
the RMT go on a membership drive after the establishment of LO and
LOROL...

My guess as to the reason for the delay will be to do with the camera /
monitor interface. The DC line is peculiar because it has the
interworking with the Bakerloo line whose stock is of a very different
profile. *I also believe that the responsibility for the CCTV system
varies depending on location *and* platform direction. Getting it all
correctly aligned and working for three stocks is probably proving more
than a little difficult. *The unions may be somewhere in the background
but probably only in the context of safety - there are formal procedures
and consultation over things like the platform / train interface.

I understood that the Electrostar family CCTV was all done via on-
board cameras though, so the existing system for 313s and Bakerloo
stock will not be used by the 378s.

Andy wrote:

Might just be lack of training, of course. Also I don't know whether
their might be problems at Bushey with the extremely curved platforms.
Does the Electrostar DOO have a separate camera for each coach.

Yes it does - that's why I don't think there should be a 'technology reason'
for the slow introduction - unless they really are trying to integrate the
platform cameras with the trains as well. All a bit odd isn't it...

Paul S

In article
,
(Mizter T) wrote:

On Jan 24, 2:40*pm, wrote:

(Andy) wrote:
The units still don't appear to be allowed in service on the DC
lines, something to do with the one person operation.

Huh? They can't run over the whole NLL/WLL? Or they can't go on the
ELL? Why would DOO come into it?

The "DC Line(s)" is one of the names given to the Watford Junction to
Euston local line - i.e. the one with the stopping service - it's also
known as the "New Line". The DC Line name comes from the fact they're
electrified by DC third rail / fourth rail on the joint running section
with the Bakerloo. The service is now run by London Overground
(used to be Silverlink Metro) and appears on the Tube map.

Yes of course! I was thinking of stock not lines. I'm fully aware that the
Euston-Watford slow lines are the DC Lines but wasn't thinking in that
context.

The NLL/WLL were never converted for DOO, but the DC Line was. For
whatever reason there's some issue with the 378s running on DOO mode,
so they haven't appeared in service on the DC Line.

Thanks for the clarification by everyone in this thread.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Paul Scott wrote:
Andy wrote:

Might just be lack of training, of course. Also I don't know whether
their might be problems at Bushey with the extremely curved
platforms. Does the Electrostar DOO have a separate camera for each
coach.

Yes it does - that's why I don't think there should be a 'technology
reason' for the slow introduction - unless they really are trying to
integrate the platform cameras with the trains as well. All a bit odd
isn't it...

A comment from 'Dazz285' in London Reconnections suggests it is the ambient
light level on the platforms that needs improving.

I wonder if the lighting was upgraded on the SN network for their onboard
CCTV?

Paul S