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South London Line issues [was: ELL Stock in Place]
On 23 Jan, 14:13, Andy wrote:
On Jan 23, 1:23*pm, MIG wrote: On 23 Jan, 10:50, Andy wrote: On Jan 23, 10:15*am, MIG wrote: On 23 Jan, 01:05, Andy wrote: On Jan 22, 10:21*pm, Mizter T wrote: On Jan 22, 8:57*pm, "Peter Masson" wrote: "Mizter T" wrote Having thought about it, I'm possibly even warming just a little (though only a little) to the notion that, given the seemingly inevitable downfall of the existing SLL service, an enhanced Vic- Dartford service plus the new ELL phase 2 service might not be such a bad result, and that the loss of the proposed 'SLL replacement' Vic- Bellingham service can be taken on the chin (a shame, and it would be nice to have it, but perhaps not a complete essential). Part of the problem is the way in which this has all been handled, i.e. in a rather furtive and underhand manner. Maybe stops at Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye could even be inserted on a few other trains that currently run fast along the Catford Loop to and from Victoria? One problem with using Victoria - Dartford trains to replace the Victoria - London Bridge SLL service, at least when the Battersea Park junction is severed, is that there is no route between the Chatham high level lines and the platforms at Wandsworth Road. It is possible to go via Stewarts Lane, though the layout at Battersea Pier Junction would complicate platforming at Victoria (the up low level route feeds into the Up Chatham Slow, so ideally routed into Victoria platforms 5-8, while the down low level feeds out of the Down Chatham Fast, so ideally out of platforms 1-4). If Battersea Park is retained, AIUI Networkers are barred from the route (though it may or may not take much to clear it for them). Yes, that's a very good point, I hadn't really thought about that issue. Hmm. Well, I suppose the brutal solution would be to simply give up on serving Wandsworth Road with Victoria trains altogether, and leave it for ELL phase 2 to serve, and tell pax that they can do one of four things... * get to Victoria by going to Clapham Jn on the ELL and changing (though the geographical daftness of that does offend me somewhat) * get the bus to Vauxhall and then tube (or another bus) to Victoria * walk to Clapham High Street and catch the train from there (AIUI the Vic-Dartford trains could serve Clapham HS, as there's a junction the name of which I forget that provides access to and from the Atlantic Line) The Victoria - Dartford services actually run through Clapham High Street platforms much of the time anyway; most switch to / from the Chatham Reversible at Voltaire Road Junction, although in the past many have gone via the low level lines. Since the loss of the Eurostar services, the trains via Stewarts Lane have been reduced to a few Up peak services. I think that's pretty much all there ever was, even when Eurostar was there. *The only time I ever saw the down Stewarts Lane being used was during engineering works on the viaduct. The past goes back to the early - mid 1990s, when there were Down trains sent that way as well as Up. I don't know the last year that scheduled services used the Down route. You could be right, but withdrawal from the down Stewarts Lane isn't down to withdrawal of Eurostar is what I meant. Also, I think it may be earlier than that. *I was an immigrant to south London in about 1989, and I don't remember seeing the down Stewarts Lane used in the early 1990s. *Could just always be there at the wrong time I suppose ... I don't think there were many services (just the odd one or two), as there were recently with the 19.16 and 19.46 Victoria - Dartford booked that way for several years (with a few other odd trains), at least until the last timetable change. Mizter T mentioned the same services. I used both of those too many times to count, and never travelled on the down Stewarts Lane except that one engineering weekend. So I had no idea they were meant to. I guess the planets never aligned. My assumption was that Stewarts Lane only really started being used much after Eurostar started sharing the tracks, the up track adding a fourth track to the viaduct. *Definitely one for Peter Masson. I think the up track was used frequently before Eurostar started it is only recently that services have really been cut back. As you say it adds the fourth track to the high level route.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - |
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