"Paul Cummins" wrote in message
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For those who remember my fun with TFL/Tramlink and my Oyster before
Christmas, I had more fun yesterday.

The Oyster issue got sorted, but again Yesterday I came up by Travelcard.
This was a "Super-Off-Peak" travelcard, thus I can't come home between 4
and 7pm, which is OK, since I didn't plan to.

What I didn't expect is to be told by an inspector that I couldn't travel,
even within London, on any SWT service between those hours, on the
Travelcard I had.

I've had a slight variation of this, with Brighton to All-Zones
Super-Off-Peak travelcards routed "Southern Trains Only". I used these to
get to Waterloo via a change at Clapham Junction and the NR gates at
Waterloo always rejected the ticket. However, the gate staff let me through
without any fuss.

You're just unlucky ...

D A Stocks

On Jan 23, 4:27*pm, "David A Stocks" wrote:

"Paul Cummins" wrote:

For those who remember my fun with TFL/Tramlink and my Oyster before
Christmas, I had more fun yesterday.

The Oyster issue got sorted, but again Yesterday I came up by Travelcard.
This was a "Super-Off-Peak" travelcard, thus I can't come home between 4
and 7pm, which is OK, since I didn't plan to.

What I didn't expect is to be told by an inspector that I couldn't travel,
even within London, on any SWT service between those hours, on the
Travelcard I had.

I've had a slight variation of this, with Brighton to All-Zones
Super-Off-Peak travelcards routed "Southern Trains Only". I used these to
get to Waterloo via a change at Clapham Junction and the NR gates at
Waterloo always rejected the ticket. However, the gate staff let me through
without any fuss.

You're just unlucky ...

I wonder if at Waterloo it's as the gates being coded to reject all
'TOC-only' tickets apart from 'SWT-only' (of which I don't think any
actually exist, do they?)

Enjoy your encounter with the RPI on board an FCC Thameslink train
between central London and East Croydon, should that ever happen!

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

On Jan 23, 4:27 pm, "David A Stocks" wrote:


I've had a slight variation of this, with Brighton to All-Zones
Super-Off-Peak travelcards routed "Southern Trains Only". I used these to
get to Waterloo via a change at Clapham Junction and the NR gates at
Waterloo always rejected the ticket. However, the gate staff let me
through
without any fuss.

You're just unlucky ...

I wonder if at Waterloo it's as the gates being coded to reject all
'TOC-only' tickets apart from 'SWT-only' (of which I don't think any
actually exist, do they?)
That, or the gates recognise the super-off-peak-ness of the ticket. I was
travelling during the evening blackout period.

Enjoy your encounter with the RPI on board an FCC Thameslink train
between central London and East Croydon, should that ever happen!
I would fully enjoy telling any FCC staff *exactly* what I think of their
appalling lack of service ...

DAS

Mizter T wrote
[...]
I wonder if at Waterloo it's as the gates being coded to reject all
'TOC-only' tickets apart from 'SWT-only' (of which I don't think any
actually exist, do they?)

They exist from time to time.

Like last year's "Midsummer Madness", weekends in August except Bank
Holiday w/e - £10 day return "to anywhere on our network", SWT trains
only.

--
Mike D

On Jan 23, 4:49*pm, Mizter T wrote:

I wonder if at Waterloo it's as the gates being coded to reject all
'TOC-only' tickets apart from 'SWT-only' (of which I don't think any
actually exist, do they?)

Is that so? It could partly explain why Advance Aldershot-Crewe
Virgin tickets have about a 50/50 chance of opening the barriers at
Aldershot, almost never accepted at Waterloo SWT barriers (but have
been at least once), always at Waterloo tube barriers and almost
always at Euston tube barriers!

Last time, the rejected ticket sparked a discussion off between the
SWT barrier staff at Waterloo about where Crewe was and if the ticket
was valid (which it most certainly is). Annoying, particularly as
this type of discussion has the potential to escalate and cause a
missed train at Euston. I wonder where the passenger would stand in
this situation - would Virgin staff accept it as a valid reason for
delay beyond the passengers control and allow them to travel on a
later train? Fortunately didn't need to find out on this occasion.

Ian

On Jan 25, 1:53*pm, "
wrote:

On Jan 23, 4:49*pm, Mizter T wrote:

I wonder if at Waterloo it's as the gates being coded to reject all
'TOC-only' tickets apart from 'SWT-only' (of which I don't think any
actually exist, do they?)

Is that so? *It could partly explain why Advance Aldershot-Crewe
Virgin tickets have about a 50/50 chance of opening the barriers at
Aldershot, almost never accepted at Waterloo SWT barriers (but have
been at least once), always at Waterloo tube barriers and almost
always at Euston tube barriers!

It is not so, going by Paul Corfield's post upthread - the magnetic
encoding of NR tickets is pretty simple.

When I referred to "SWT-only" tickets, I literally meant that -
tickets only valid on SWT trains and marked as such. These exist
elsewhere, for example there are "FCC-only" tickets from London to
Brighton. However, apart from occasional promotions, there aren't any
"SWT-only" tickets issued.

Your Advance Aldershot-Crewe ticket is a combination of a specified
train ticket - the bit on Virgin - and in effect an 'any permitted'
ticket for the Aldershot to London bit (there's no compulsory
reservation for that bit). Why it only sometimes works the gates at
Waterloo, I can't say - do you buy them from different places? If so,
it may simply be that it's encoded correctly by one retailer, but not
by another.


Last time, the rejected ticket sparked a discussion off between the
SWT barrier staff at Waterloo about where Crewe was and if the ticket
was valid (which it most certainly is). *Annoying, particularly as
this type of discussion has the potential to escalate and cause a
missed train at Euston. *I wonder where the passenger would stand in
this situation - would Virgin staff accept it as a valid reason for
delay beyond the passengers control and allow them to travel on a
later train? *Fortunately didn't need to find out on this occasion.

Perhaps they'd consider it daft enough to be believable.

Mizter T wrote:

When I referred to "SWT-only" tickets, I literally meant that -
tickets only valid on SWT trains and marked as such. These exist
elsewhere, for example there are "FCC-only" tickets from London to
Brighton. However, apart from occasional promotions, there aren't any
"SWT-only" tickets issued.

Not even the Advance fares that are available on SWT from the western
extremities of their network? Anyone know for sure how they are marked?

Paul S

Paul Scott wrote:
Not even the Advance fares that are available on SWT from the western
extremities of their network? Anyone know for sure how they are marked?

Most of the flexible tickets to from the Home Counties on DMUs to points
west are Route Salisbury. That's to stop them being valid on the GWML to
Bristol/Exeter. This is a hangover from Intercity/NSE days.

A SWT-only restriction would be rather annoying, since FGW DMUs also
operate some of the routes (eg Salisbury to Trowbridge, Warminster etc).

(Those FGW DMUs I'm thinking of are the ex-Regional Railways
Cardiff-Portsmouth service, which presumably would also have been covered
under the original Route Salisbury restriction)

I don't know AP tickets, but surely for the advance bit they're
specified-train-only so the routing doesn't matter, and for +Connections the
same rules as flexible tickets apply?

Theo

Theo Markettos wrote:
Paul Scott wrote:
Not even the Advance fares that are available on SWT from the western
extremities of their network? Anyone know for sure how they are
marked?

Most of the flexible tickets to from the Home Counties on DMUs to
points west are Route Salisbury. That's to stop them being valid on
the GWML to Bristol/Exeter. This is a hangover from Intercity/NSE
days.

Er.. that's why I specifically mentioned SWT's 'Advance fares'. Such as
Weymouth to Waterloo - how is that marked?

As you point out 'Route Salisbury' simply does what it says on the tin...

Paul S

"Paul Scott" wrote in message
...
Mizter T wrote:

When I referred to "SWT-only" tickets, I literally meant that -
tickets only valid on SWT trains and marked as such. These exist
elsewhere, for example there are "FCC-only" tickets from London to
Brighton. However, apart from occasional promotions, there aren't any
"SWT-only" tickets issued.

Not even the Advance fares that are available on SWT from the western
extremities of their network? Anyone know for sure how they are marked?

Paul S


I can tell you that most Southern specific tix won't operate *any* barriers.
This is true for DaySave and AP booked-train-only tix. However, the
super-off-peak Southern trains only all-zones travelcard opens *all* the NR
(including Brighton) and Underground barriers *except* Waterloo NR.

D A Stocks