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I am reliably informed (via an internal notice) that the first 3 car
DLR trains have entered service today. MIG can now go and conclude his "3 car" hunting expedition ;-) -- Paul C via Google |
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On 23 Feb, 12:02, Paul Corfield wrote:
I am reliably informed (via an internal notice) that the first 3 car DLR trains have entered service today. *MIG can now go and conclude his "3 car" hunting expedition ;-) There was a message on the whiteboard at Bank today that I thought said "please use the full length of the platform" - though I had to read it in a bit of a hurry while being swept past it, so I'm not 100% sure. I thought this might mean they'd had a sudden switchover to 3 car trains, but was sadly disappointed! Ganesh |
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 04:02:41 -0800, Paul Corfield wrote:
I am reliably informed (via an internal notice) that the first 3 car DLR trains have entered service today. MIG can now go and conclude his "3 car" hunting expedition ;-) Damn you! I thought I'd be first one in with this, having picked it up the newspaper under Canary Wharf while picking up my lunch (Chicken and Veg Broth and cheese and pickle baguette from Eat, if you're interested) http://www.docklands24.co.uk/content...ws/story.aspx? brand=Docklands&category=news&tBrand=docklands&tCa tegory=znews&itemid=WeED23% 20Feb%202010%2010%3A53%3A19%3A520 It's the front page story on the physical edition. I too will be loitering at Canary Wharf longer than I need to tonight in the hope of spotting one. |
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On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:36:09 +0000 (UTC)
Martin Petrov wrote: http://www.docklands24.co.uk/content...ws/story.aspx? brand=Docklands&category=news&tBrand=docklands&tC ategory=znews&itemid=WeED23% 20Feb%202010%2010%3A53%3A19%3A520 It's the front page story on the physical edition. I too will be loitering at Canary Wharf longer than I need to tonight in the hope of spotting one. One wonders why they didn't go to three car immediately from one car operation (or at least set up the infrastructure for 3 car) back in the 90s and save themselves a lot of hassle and money in the long run. B2003 |
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wrote in message
On Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:36:09 +0000 (UTC) Martin Petrov wrote: http://www.docklands24.co.uk/content...ws/story.aspx? brand=Docklands&category=news&tBrand=docklands&tCa tegory=znews&itemid=WeED23% 20Feb%202010%2010%3A53%3A19%3A520 It's the front page story on the physical edition. I too will be loitering at Canary Wharf longer than I need to tonight in the hope of spotting one. One wonders why they didn't go to three car immediately from one car operation (or at least set up the infrastructure for 3 car) back in the 90s and save themselves a lot of hassle and money in the long run. Might I refer you to the similar discussion two months ago? And, BTW, pretty much all of the newer infrastructure was constructed with three-car trains in mind. It's only the remaining sections of the original infrastructure that have needed more work. In some cases, it was possibly to extend stations to two-car length, but not three-car, so more work has been needed this time (eg, moving South Quay station, which wouldn't have been justified when the original train extension happened). |
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On 23 Feb, 12:02, Paul Corfield wrote:
I am reliably informed (via an internal notice) that the first 3 car DLR trains have entered service today. *MIG can now go and conclude his "3 car" hunting expedition ;-) -- Paul C via Google Didn't spot one on a very short trip today. Tomorrow it will have to be, to see if I can bag one of the blighters for my wall. I am guessing that they may all be the 07/09 units? Both weekend test runs I saw were. |
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On 23 Feb, 16:56, MIG wrote:
On 23 Feb, 12:02, Paul Corfield wrote: I am reliably informed (via an internal notice) that the first 3 car DLR trains have entered service today. *MIG can now go and conclude his "3 car" hunting expedition ;-) -- Paul C via Google Didn't spot one on a very short trip today. *Tomorrow it will have to be, to see if I can bag one of the blighters for my wall. I am guessing that they may all be the 07/09 units? *Both weekend test runs I saw were. I just missed one (it?) at Bank today. All new units. It seemed to be having some problems - the next train ran quite slowly and got stopped at Westferry and then just outside Canary Wharf because the three car train was making poor progress. Problems with stopping points, perhaps? It seems they are using different platform positions for the fronts of the two car and three car trains. Ganesh |
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Ganesh Sittampalam wrote:
On 23 Feb, 16:56, MIG wrote: On 23 Feb, 12:02, Paul Corfield wrote: I am reliably informed (via an internal notice) that the first 3 car DLR trains have entered service today. *MIG can now go and conclude his "3 car" hunting expedition ;-) -- Paul C via Google Didn't spot one on a very short trip today. *Tomorrow it will have to be, to see if I can bag one of the blighters for my wall. I am guessing that they may all be the 07/09 units? *Both weekend test runs I saw were. I just missed one (it?) at Bank today. All new units. It seemed to be having some problems - the next train ran quite slowly and got stopped at Westferry and then just outside Canary Wharf because the three car train was making poor progress. Problems with stopping points, perhaps? It seems they are using different platform positions for the fronts of the two car and three car trains. Ganesh I've seen two this morning, both new kind, both destination Lewisham. one on the upnunder and one at Shadwell. |
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On Wed, 24 Feb 2010 00:21:08 -0800, MIG wrote:
I've seen two this morning, both new kind, both destination Lewisham. one on the upnunder and one at Shadwell. All the 3 car trains are going to be "new ones", I believe? (prepared to be told otherwise, of course....!) |
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writes I've seen two this morning, both new kind, both destination Lewisham. one on the upnunder and one at Shadwell. All the 3 car trains are going to be "new ones", I believe? (prepared to be told otherwise, of course....!) The older types are quite capable too, although it may be a policy decision to use new ones to make a point. In any event, it's not possible to mix old and new cars in a formation. -- Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building. You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK (please use the reply to address for email) |
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In message , Martin Petrov writes I've seen two this morning, both new kind, both destination Lewisham. one on the upnunder and one at Shadwell. All the 3 car trains are going to be "new ones", I believe? (prepared to be told otherwise, of course....!) The older types are quite capable too, although it may be a policy decision to use new ones to make a point. In any event, it's not possible to mix old and new cars in a formation. And now I've been on one (do I win something?). I noticed extra crew on board. don't know how long that will last. Also, announcement before Cutty Sark. No obvious problems except internal displays not working. |
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Saw a new 3 car train at Greenwich about 2330 last night but did see
one formed of the old stock when they were doing passenger-less test operations a couple of months ago. I'm glad they've gone for variable stopping points at places like Mudchute northbound where there's only an entrance to the platform at the southern end. Anybody witnessed any panicky barging through the carriage at Cutty Sark yet? |
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I've seen two this morning, both new kind, both destination Lewisham.
one on the upnunder and one at Shadwell. I'd like to also add myself to the "3LR spotter" list. Canary Wharf, pulling out towards Heron Quays, new rolling stock, 9:15-ish. As with all these things, actually seeing one was something of an anti- climax. It's a slightly longer version of what I've been getting on for years. |
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On Feb 25, 12:05*pm, Martin Petrov wrote: I've seen two this morning, both new kind, both destination Lewisham. one on the upnunder and one at Shadwell. I'd like to also add myself to the "3LR spotter" list. Canary Wharf, pulling out towards Heron Quays, new rolling stock, 9:15-ish. As with all these things, actually seeing one was something of an anti- climax. It's a slightly longer version of what I've been getting on for years. I think the more interesting thing to observe has been what has already happened, i.e. the platform lengthening and how it has been done in various places. That, and observing that one has a bit more breathing space on peak DLR trains. |
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On 25 Feb, 09:59, Mudchute wrote:
Saw a new 3 car train at Greenwich about 2330 last night but did see one formed of the old stock when they were doing passenger-less test operations a couple of months ago. I'm glad they've gone for variable stopping points at places like Mudchute northbound where there's only an entrance to the platform at the southern end. Anybody witnessed any panicky barging through the carriage at Cutty Sark yet? No. As I was saying, announcement beforehand and extra staff on board in case. I got another one this evening; pretty sure it was a different unit and again the internal displays not working. This may be some kind of issue. |
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On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:17:26 -0800, Mizter T wrote:
I think the more interesting thing to observe has been what has already happened, i.e. the platform lengthening and how it has been done in various places. That, and observing that one has a bit more breathing space on peak DLR trains. Well yes - South Quay's opening and the dive under at West India Quay are the things that have impressed me the most. As a daily Stratford - Canary Wharf traveller, the dive under has made a big difference to getting through the final part of the journey, though I'd be interested to know when they're intending to put 3 cars on trains on that branch too - I know Pudding Mill Lane won't be able to handle them, but having done all the other stations, I'd be shocked if they weren't intending to roll them out along that line too? The other improvement that I'd like to see them do is to bring the 5 minute frequency on that section (at least at peak time) so that there's always a train waiting in Stratford - as it stands, the train comes into Stratford every 7-8 mins, and there's a scrum of people to get on board to get a seat - whereas when they had the 5 min frequency, a train would come into one platform, and sit there while people got on board, and as the next one pulled in, that one would pull out. |
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On 26 Feb, 08:37, Martin Petrov
wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:17:26 -0800, Mizter T wrote: I think the more interesting thing to observe has been what has already happened, i.e. the platform lengthening and how it has been done in various places. That, and observing that one has a bit more breathing space on peak DLR trains. Well yes - South Quay's opening and the dive under at West India Quay are the things that have impressed me the most. As a daily Stratford - Canary Wharf traveller, the dive under has made a big difference to getting through the final part of the journey, though I'd be interested to know when they're intending to put 3 cars on trains on that branch too - I know Pudding Mill Lane won't be able to handle them, but having done all the other stations, I'd be shocked if they weren't intending to roll them out along that line too? The other improvement that I'd like to see them do is to bring the 5 minute frequency on that section (at least at peak time) so that there's always a train waiting in Stratford - as it stands, the train comes into Stratford every 7-8 mins, and there's a scrum of people to get on board to get a seat - whereas when they had the 5 min frequency, a train would come into one platform, and sit there while people got on board, and as the next one pulled in, that one would pull out. There was a document, or was it an MR article? which listed all the stations coded by long from the start, extended and SDO. I am sure that the SDO stations included some not on that route. My impression was that the whole of the DLR is capable of taking the long trains one way or another, whether or not the service actually runs. Cutty Sark is an obviously well-know station that couldn't be extended and they use SDO. |
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, at 11:13:46 on Thu, 25 Feb 2010, MIG remarked: I got another one this evening; pretty sure it was a different unit and again the internal displays not working. I went to South Quay (and back) today. A few observations: At Bank there was a handwritten sign saying something like "use the whole length of the platform". Which is fine, but when a 2-car train arrives, what use am I supposed to be putting the remaining 1/3 to? On the way out saw no new trains. The old one I was on, lurched a lot. For example, we crawled towards Heron Quays and as the front of the train reached the platform it accelerated quite hard, then immediately started braking. Throughout, it seemed to be regularly hitting some kind of 'speed limiter', accelerating then suddenly cutting power. When I got to South Quay I went downstairs at the west end of the station and turned east (towards the water). Touched out, then found myself in a dead end. Had to go back some way, then climb over a large "kerbside" to get onto the road. On the way back caught a new 3-car train. Saw several other new trains, all 2-car. When going down the tunnels to Bank station, once again there was quite a bit of "hunting" in the drive system. Appeared not to be able to make its mind up between braking, coasting and even perhaps applying power. Is the braking regen? -- Roland Perry |
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A lot of site clearance has taken place near Pudding Mill Lane - I assume for Crossrail tunnel bores and DLR station moving. The cleared space is for Olympics' parking (it was cleaned in 2007-2008). I'd imagine it will be reused for Crossrail after 2012. I hope they also got rid of industrial cleaning company that was located right next to Pudding Mill Station (it was NOT marked for demolition on initial places distributed to locals in 2007) - otherwise Olympics Park will smell of freshly rotting cooking fat. |
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Fri, 26 Feb 2010, Paul Corfield remarked: Well it seems I had a similar idea to Mr Perry. The DLR ride was incidental to my trip to see a client. Last time I went, Bank Station (DLR) was closed so I had to use Jubilee Line (+walk) instead; but DLR is my preferred method. A lot of site clearance has taken place near Pudding Mill Lane You can also see (from the DLR trains) building work started in the vicinity of the Crossrail Station at Canary Wharf. -- Roland Perry |
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On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:55:11 +0000
Roland Perry wrote: was quite a bit of "hunting" in the drive system. Appeared not to be able to make its mind up between braking, coasting and even perhaps applying power. Is the braking regen? Sounds like someone accidentaly loaded the 1992 stock control software onto the system. Seriously though , is it really so difficult to write software to drive a train smoothly? B2003 |
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In message , at 20:55:11 on Fri, 26 Feb
2010, Roland Perry remarked: I went to South Quay (and back) today. Something I forgot: Why do some of the stations have new looking "steps" installed halfway up the facing wall between the track and the platform edge? With "Do not step on this" (or similar) written on them. I can't remember ever seeing anything quite so much like a step, for not stepping on. -- Roland Perry |
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"Alex" wrote in message ... A lot of site clearance has taken place near Pudding Mill Lane - I assume for Crossrail tunnel bores and DLR station moving. The cleared space is for Olympics' parking (it was cleaned in 2007-2008). I'd imagine it will be reused for Crossrail after 2012. Crossrail's website suggests the work [on the portal] will start in Jul 2009 and be completed by June 2012. AIUI the DLR station gets resited somewhat south of the existing position to allow for the new Crossrail tracks [which are in cut and cover as far as the River Lee], with the diverted up slow line into Liverpool St crossing over. Paul S |
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On 27 Feb, 11:20, wrote:
On Fri, 26 Feb 2010 20:55:11 +0000 Roland Perry wrote: was quite a bit of "hunting" in the drive system. Appeared not to be able to make its mind up between braking, coasting and even perhaps applying power. Is the braking regen? Sounds like someone accidentaly loaded the 1992 stock control software onto the system. Seriously though , is it really so difficult to write software to drive a train smoothly? B2003 As I was saying elsewhere, they now seem to have got rid of the particularly violent deceleration half way out of Bank. |
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On 25 Feb, 19:13, MIG wrote:
On 25 Feb, 09:59, Mudchute wrote: Saw a new 3 car train at Greenwich about 2330 last night but did see one formed of the old stock when they were doing passenger-less test operations a couple of months ago. I'm glad they've gone for variable stopping points at places like Mudchute northbound where there's only an entrance to the platform at the southern end. Anybody witnessed any panicky barging through the carriage at Cutty Sark yet? No. *As I was saying, announcement beforehand and extra staff on board in case. I got another one this evening; pretty sure it was a different unit and again the internal displays not working. This may be some kind of issue. Today I notice that the long trains still don't have internal displays. The extra staff aren't there any more, and there aren't announcements at the SDO stations. |
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On 26 Feb, 13:11, MIG wrote:
On 26 Feb, 08:37, Martin Petrov wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:17:26 -0800, Mizter T wrote: I think the more interesting thing to observe has been what has already happened, i.e. the platform lengthening and how it has been done in various places. That, and observing that one has a bit more breathing space on peakDLR trains. Well yes - South Quay's opening and the dive under at West India Quay are the things that have impressed me the most. As a daily Stratford - Canary Wharf traveller, the dive under has made a big difference to getting through the final part of the journey, though I'd be interested to know when they're intending to put 3 cars on trains on that branch too - I know Pudding Mill Lane won't be able to handle them, but having done all the other stations, I'd be shocked if they weren't intending to roll them out along that line too? The other improvement that I'd like to see them do is to bring the 5 minute frequency on that section (at least at peak time) so that there's always a train waiting in Stratford - as it stands, the train comes into Stratford every 7-8 mins, and there's a scrum of people to get on board to get a seat - whereas when they had the 5 min frequency, a train would come into one platform, and sit there while people got on board, and as the next one pulled in, that one would pull out. There was a document, or was it an MR article? which listed all the stations coded by long from the start, extended and SDO. *I am sure that the SDO stations included some not on that route. My impression was that the whole of theDLRis capable of taking the long trains one way or another, whether or not the service actually runs. Cutty Sark is an obviously well-know station that couldn't be extended and they use SDO. Today the first time I've seen a long one running at the weekend. It could be just for the London Marathon weekend, but the staff seemed to think it could be part of preparation for a general extension (pardon the pun) of the use of long trains in terms of days of week and times of day. |
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On 24 Apr, 17:55, MIG wrote:
On 26 Feb, 13:11, MIG wrote: On 26 Feb, 08:37, Martin Petrov wrote: On Thu, 25 Feb 2010 04:17:26 -0800, Mizter T wrote: I think the more interesting thing to observe has been what has already happened, i.e. the platform lengthening and how it has been done in various places. That, and observing that one has a bit more breathing space on peakDLR trains. Well yes - South Quay's opening and the dive under at West India Quay are the things that have impressed me the most. As a daily Stratford - Canary Wharf traveller, the dive under has made a big difference to getting through the final part of the journey, though I'd be interested to know when they're intending to put 3 cars on trains on that branch too - I know Pudding Mill Lane won't be able to handle them, but having done all the other stations, I'd be shocked if they weren't intending to roll them out along that line too? The other improvement that I'd like to see them do is to bring the 5 minute frequency on that section (at least at peak time) so that there's always a train waiting in Stratford - as it stands, the train comes into Stratford every 7-8 mins, and there's a scrum of people to get on board to get a seat - whereas when they had the 5 min frequency, a train would come into one platform, and sit there while people got on board, and as the next one pulled in, that one would pull out. There was a document, or was it an MR article? which listed all the stations coded by long from the start, extended and SDO. *I am sure that the SDO stations included some not on that route. My impression was that the whole of theDLRis capable of taking the long trains one way or another, whether or not the service actually runs. Cutty Sark is an obviously well-know station that couldn't be extended and they use SDO. Today the first time I've seen a long one running at the weekend. It could be just for the London Marathon weekend, but the staff seemed to think it could be part of preparation for a general extension (pardon the pun) of the use of long trains in terms of days of week and times of day. And I should have said routes. Seen a long one going to Tower Gateway yesterday as well. |
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The platform departure boards were today saying that three car trains
were operating on all Bank to Lewisham services which is great news. It makes a massive difference especially in the morning peak - no more cramming onto the train at Mudchute or having to wait for a few trains to go by before I can squeeze on one. |
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On 29 Apr, 00:27, Mudchute wrote:
The platform departure boards were today saying that three car trains were operating on all Bank to Lewisham services which is great news. It makes a massive difference especially in the morning peak - no more cramming onto the train at Mudchute or having to wait for a few trains to go by before I can squeeze on one. I saw long one heading east between Blackwall and Poplar today. I don't know for sure, but it had probably gone into service from Gallions Reach rather than come from Woolwich. If so it means that, even if only for certain shoulder peak journeys, they must be running long trains up and down the Beckton branch. |
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