On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:02:32 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
It does begger belief really. They advertise the new trains as having
more space then wheel out a train that has the same or less than the
ones its replacing. What a complete waste of money. I wonder how much
of the recent fare increase was to pay for these pointless new trains.

Is it pointless to replace stock that's over 40 years old with faster,
longer and (supposedly) wider new ones?

If they're no wider inside and less comfortable I can't see as the best
spending decision ever made unless the 67s are really on their last legs.

B2003

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On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 10:02:32 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
It does begger belief really. They advertise the new trains as
having more space then wheel out a train that has the same or less
than the ones its replacing. What a complete waste of money. I
wonder how much of the recent fare increase was to pay for these
pointless new trains.

Is it pointless to replace stock that's over 40 years old with
faster, longer and (supposedly) wider new ones?

If they're no wider inside and less comfortable I can't see as the
best spending decision ever made unless the 67s are really on their
last legs.

I've read that the 2009 stock is 40mm wider than the 67 stock, but I
don't know how the wall thicknesses compare. It's also longer. But, like
you, I don't understand this obsession with fitting thin, hard seats to
new public transport vehicles. It's a bit like how car manufacturers
seem obsessed with making their cars go faster round the Nürburgring, at
the expense of a harsh, uncomfortable ride, which is far more important
to most people.

On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 11:30:22 +0100
"Recliner" wrote:
I've read that the 2009 stock is 40mm wider than the 67 stock, but I

Is that all? In that case my guess is that extra width is simply due to the
externally hung doors.

you, I don't understand this obsession with fitting thin, hard seats to
new public transport vehicles. It's a bit like how car manufacturers

I guess they're going down the european and american routes. Perhaps we
should think ourselves lucky to get any fabric at all and not just be
presented with a plastic bucket seat!

B2003