"Graham Harrison" wrote in message
...
If trains on the national network need yellow front panels why doesn't the
same apply to LUL?

It has been suggested previously it is because LU do not normally allow
maintenance staff access to the live railway.

You may have noticed LU's battery maintenance locos do have yellow panels...

[uk.transport.london added]

Paul S

On Apr 19, 11:50*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

It has been suggested previously it is because LU do not normally allow
maintenance staff access to the live railway.

Though I imagine red is almost as visible. Several European railways
including SBB, OeBB and DB use it.

Neil

Neil Williams wrote:
On Apr 19, 11:50 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

It has been suggested previously it is because LU do not normally allow
maintenance staff access to the live railway.

Though I imagine red is almost as visible. Several European railways
including SBB, OeBB and DB use it.

I think the problem with red in the UK would be that red/orange is the
colour of staff vis vests, and at a distance a fast approaching train
might be mistaken for a person in the distance wearing a vis vest.

Rgds

Denis McMahon

Hello!

On 20.04.2010 08:31, Neil Williams wrote:
On Apr 19, 11:50 pm, "Paul
wrote:

It has been suggested previously it is because LU do not normally allow
maintenance staff access to the live railway.

Though I imagine red is almost as visible. Several European railways
including SBB, OeBB and DB use it.

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red). In Germany,
you are free to run completely black locos such as

http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?n...age&position=7

Johannes.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red). In Germany,
you are free to run completely black locos such as

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Neil
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On 29 Apr, 21:35, Neil Williams
wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht

wrote:
AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red). In Germany,
you are free to run completely black locos such as

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. *I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Neil

I was going to suggest that steam locos usually had/have red buffer
beams ...
but then I remembered that the LNER A4 streamliners don't.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 22:35:38 +0200, Neil Williams
wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red). In Germany,
you are free to run completely black locos such as

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Don't they also carry headlights now ?

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 23:53:58 +0100, Charles Ellson
wrote:

Don't they also carry headlights now ?

I think so - but so do modern trains, and they need yellow ends as
well...

Neil
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Neil Williams wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red). In Germany,
you are free to run completely black locos such as

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Red, shurely. But the stuff coming out of the chimney is a visual clue
too. Indeed, as a first order approximation, I've always assumed that
the yellow end is a replacement for the plume of smoke/steam.


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On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 16:23:04 +0100, Chris Tolley
(ukonline really) wrote:

Neil Williams wrote:

On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 20:02:17 +0200, Johannes Picht
wrote:

AFAIK, the only networks on the continent requiring a specific front end
color are the Netherlands (white or yellow) and Italy (red).

In the UK, black is permitted (and usual) for steam locomotives. I
assume that's because of grandfather rights, but perhaps also because
you'd hear them a mile off anyway!

Red, shurely. But the stuff coming out of the chimney is a visual clue
too. Indeed, as a first order approximation, I've always assumed that
the yellow end is a replacement for the plume of smoke/steam.

But I am fairly sure that in some situations a Steam loco will be
emitting little smoke or steam. Going down a gradient with the fire
burning cleanly the exhaust can be fairly transparent And that will be
just the time that little noise is produced either.

G.Harman