ELL: poor passenger information systems
 

On 20 May, 15:32, Mizter T wrote:
On May 20, 3:00*pm, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:



On 19 May, 17:41, "Paul Scott" wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
On May 14, 4:06 pm, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
Also the New Cross Gate signs have changed to the standard type seen
at stations south of the

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tn_signage_201...

All this 'new' LO station name signage involves is just vinyl stickers
stuck on to the pre-existing signs.

As per the NLL, this is just the temporary phase - the proper LO platform
roundels (LU like) or the alternative 'white with orange border' signs (as
seen at Clapham Junction or Stratford island platforms) *will probably not
be fitted for a while yet.

Paul S

Do you mean this type?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...stal_Palace_st....

He does I think, yes.

See these examples from Clapham Jn:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/2918681993/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/2918694477/

I took one there too! Also seen that style at Barking (GOBLIN only)
and Stratford, as you mentioned:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ew_signage.JPG

Must admit I'm not entirely au fait with the logic of having temporary
sign styles which are then replaced with a different permanent style
at a later date - though I think it's to do with whether stations are
up to the requisite LO standard is it not?

I haven't been on the NLL or GOBLIN since the temporary signage went
up, what's the signage like there?

Because the one example in this style at NXG was replaced with the
black/orange style!

Though that one example was nowt other than a vinyl sticker stuck over
the old (but not old really) green Southern nameboard, which was still
quite visible in the photo you linked to earlier:http://commons.wikimedia..org/wiki/F...tation_signage...

Yes on reflection it does look quite obvious on the orange vinyls,
especially in strong sunshine!

ELL: poor passenger information systems
 

On May 20, 7:47*am, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
On 20 May, 15:32, Mizter T wrote:





On May 20, 3:00*pm, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:

On 19 May, 17:41, "Paul Scott" wrote:

Mizter T wrote:
On May 14, 4:06 pm, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
Also the New Cross Gate signs have changed to the standard type seen
at stations south of the

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tn_signage_201...

All this 'new' LO station name signage involves is just vinyl stickers
stuck on to the pre-existing signs.

As per the NLL, this is just the temporary phase - the proper LO platform
roundels (LU like) or the alternative 'white with orange border' signs (as
seen at Clapham Junction or Stratford island platforms) *will probably not
be fitted for a while yet.

Paul S

Do you mean this type?
http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...stal_Palace_st...

He does I think, yes.

See these examples from Clapham Jn:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/2918681993/
and
http://www.flickr.com/photos/24772733@N05/2918694477/

I took one there too! Also seen that style at Barking (GOBLIN only)
and Stratford, as you mentioned:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...n_Overground_n...

Must admit I'm not entirely au fait with the logic of having temporary
sign styles which are then replaced with a different permanent style
at a later date - though I think it's to do with whether stations are
up to the requisite LO standard is it not?

I haven't been on the NLL or GOBLIN since the temporary signage went
up, what's the signage like there?

Because the one example in this style at NXG was replaced with the
black/orange style!

Though that one example was nowt other than a vinyl sticker stuck over
the old (but not old really) green Southern nameboard, which was still
quite visible in the photo you linked to earlier:http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tation_signage...

Yes on reflection it does look quite obvious on the orange vinyls,
especially in strong sunshine!- Hide quoted text -

Something has happened to your New Cross Gate link.

ELL: poor passenger information systems
 

On May 20, 6:16*pm, E27002 wrote:

On May 20, 7:47*am, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:

On 20 May, 15:32, Mizter T wrote:
[snip]
Though that one example was nowt other than a vinyl sticker stuck over
the old (but not old really) green Southern nameboard, which was still
quite visible in the photo you linked to earlier:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tation_signage....

Yes on reflection it does look quite obvious on the orange vinyls,
especially in strong sunshine!- Hide quoted text -

Something has happened to your New Cross Gate link.

It's long and has thus got mangled in the quotation of previous
posts... look back through the thread and it's there in the clear.

ELL: poor passenger information systems
 

On May 20, 7:37*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On May 20, 6:16*pm, E27002 wrote:

On May 20, 7:47*am, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:

On 20 May, 15:32, Mizter T wrote:
[snip]
Though that one example was nowt other than a vinyl sticker stuck over
the old (but not old really) green Southern nameboard, which was still
quite visible in the photo you linked to earlier:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tation_signage...

Yes on reflection it does look quite obvious on the orange vinyls,
especially in strong sunshine!- Hide quoted text -

Something has happened to your New Cross Gate link.

It's long and has thus got mangled in the quotation of previous
posts... look back through the thread and it's there in the clear.

Of course those joining us from other newsgroups will likely be a bit
lost by all this... but I'm innocent as I didn't do the crossposting!

ELL: poor passenger information systems
 

On May 20, 7:39*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On May 20, 7:37*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On May 20, 6:16*pm, E27002 wrote:

On May 20, 7:47*am, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:

On 20 May, 15:32, Mizter T wrote:
[snip]
Though that one example was nowt other than a vinyl sticker stuck over
the old (but not old really) green Southern nameboard, which was still
quite visible in the photo you linked to earlier:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tation_signage...

Yes on reflection it does look quite obvious on the orange vinyls,
especially in strong sunshine!- Hide quoted text -

Something has happened to your New Cross Gate link.

It's long and has thus got mangled in the quotation of previous
posts... look back through the thread and it's there in the clear.

Of course those joining us from other newsgroups will likely be a bit
lost by all this... but I'm innocent as I didn't do the crossposting!

And now you've gone and deleted that crossposted message from both the
uk.railway and misc.transport.urban-transit newsgroups leaving me
looking as if I did it - the cheek! I shall name and shame you, E27002!

ELL: poor passenger information systems
 

On May 20, 12:18*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On May 20, 7:39*pm, Mizter T wrote:





On May 20, 7:37*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On May 20, 6:16*pm, E27002 wrote:

On May 20, 7:47*am, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:

On 20 May, 15:32, Mizter T wrote:
[snip]
Though that one example was nowt other than a vinyl sticker stuck over
the old (but not old really) green Southern nameboard, which was still
quite visible in the photo you linked to earlier:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tation_signage...

Yes on reflection it does look quite obvious on the orange vinyls,
especially in strong sunshine!- Hide quoted text -

Something has happened to your New Cross Gate link.

It's long and has thus got mangled in the quotation of previous
posts... look back through the thread and it's there in the clear.

Of course those joining us from other newsgroups will likely be a bit
lost by all this... but I'm innocent as I didn't do the crossposting!

And now you've gone and deleted that crossposted message from both the
uk.railway and misc.transport.urban-transit newsgroups leaving me
looking as if I did it - the cheek! I shall name and shame you, E27002!

Accordingly shamed! Actually after posting I realized I had created a
non-sequeter, so I deleted. :-)

ELL: poor passenger information systems
 

On Thu, 20 May 2010 12:18:49 -0700 (PDT), Mizter T
wrote:

And now you've gone and deleted that crossposted message from both the
uk.railway and misc.transport.urban-transit newsgroups leaving me
looking as if I did it - the cheek! I shall name and shame you, E27002!


Don't feed the mad Zionist trolls.

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On Thu, 20 May 2010 13:10:53 -0700 (PDT), E27002
wrote:

On May 20, 12:18*pm, Mizter T wrote:
On May 20, 7:39*pm, Mizter T wrote:





On May 20, 7:37*pm, Mizter T wrote:

On May 20, 6:16*pm, E27002 wrote:

On May 20, 7:47*am, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:

On 20 May, 15:32, Mizter T wrote:
[snip]
Though that one example was nowt other than a vinyl sticker stuck over
the old (but not old really) green Southern nameboard, which was still
quite visible in the photo you linked to earlier:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tation_signage...

Yes on reflection it does look quite obvious on the orange vinyls,
especially in strong sunshine!- Hide quoted text -

Something has happened to your New Cross Gate link.

It's long and has thus got mangled in the quotation of previous
posts... look back through the thread and it's there in the clear.

Of course those joining us from other newsgroups will likely be a bit
lost by all this... but I'm innocent as I didn't do the crossposting!

And now you've gone and deleted that crossposted message from both the
uk.railway and misc.transport.urban-transit newsgroups leaving me
looking as if I did it - the cheek! I shall name and shame you, E27002!

Accordingly shamed! Actually after posting I realized I had created a
non-sequeter, so I deleted. :-)


Lesson No. 1: posts to Usenet CANNOT be deleted.

Lesson No. 2: see Lesson No. 1.

ELL: poor passenger information systems
 

On 19 May, 16:26, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
On 14 May, 16:06, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:



On 6 May, 19:13, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:

On May 6, 6:10*pm, Martin Smith wrote:

On 06/05/2010 11:44, Clive Page wrote:

I made a small diversion on a journey yesterday and used the East London
Line from New Cross Gate to Whitechapel.

At other stations south of New Cross Gate, e.g. Brockley, were marked
with London Overground branding, even though they don't yet have the
trains. But at New Cross Gate, even though it does have the trains,
there were no signs evident at all. Having arrived on the slow up
platform I assumed that I had to go up the steps to the main station
level, but then there was no indication at all of ELL/Overground
services. The next departure was (I later found out) in 10 minutes, but
did not show on the main departures board. A helpful man at the ticket
gates told me to go to Platform 1. On platform 1 there was a new ELL
train but no indication of destination on the platform, or on the train
itself. Boarding passengers mostly asked those on the train whether it
was going to Dalston.

Indeed the signage at New Cross Gate is rather lacking and there is some
lack of communication too. I used it for the first time a couple of days
ago,
only as far as Canada Water, on my return journey about 3.30 pm I got up
to the platform at Canada Water, a New Cross was due in and arrived, the New
Cross Gate was ticking down on the indicator, and some minutes late it came
through out of service, no announcements though. After another New Cross
arrived
some minutes late with yet another New Cross Gate apparently 2 minutes
behind it
I asked the only member of staff in sight whether it was worth waiting,
he said
there had been disruption and that the approaching one was the first to
the Gate
for 3 hours. Well, it came in and was ok, but the lack of announcements was
really a bit slack.
Presumably when the through services are running the up services will use
platform 5 and the flyover.

About 9 minutes later, i.e. about a minute before departure, the
on-train signs lit up showing Dalston. It's good that they leave the
waiting train open for passengers to board and get a seat, but not good
that their passenger information systems are so completely useless.

Several of the refurbished stations have nice murals or reproductions of
old photos on the walls - when I have more time I might be inclined to
get off and study them.

I changed to the District Line at Whitechapel - the signs directing you
to the platforms for the east and westbound services are ok, but once on
the appropriate platform the was no indication of which platform face
the next train would leave from, or whether District or Hammersmith
line. The platform had what I think was one of the old-style blinds with
cut-outs of destinations over a set of fluorescent tubes (don't know
that they are called). Whatever it was it didn't function, and I checked
both sides. Fortunately a train came in with Richmond on the front.

ELL: poor passenger information systems
 

On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:45:56 -0700, Nobody wrote:

Lesson No. 1: posts to Usenet CANNOT be deleted.

But they can be cancelled if the news server permits, so not everyone
gets to read the original.