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South West Trains platform signage.
In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on
the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Compare and contrast: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...gnage_2010.JPG http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...on_signage.JPG |
South West Trains platform signage.
Dr. Sunil wrote:
In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo |
South West Trains platform signage.
On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote:
Dr. wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). |
South West Trains platform signage.
"Spyke" wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Paul |
South West Trains platform signage.
"Paul Scott" wrote in message
"Spyke" wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Ah, I wondered why Stagecoach was dropping its branding from the signs. It seems like a good idea. |
South West Trains platform signage.
On 17/05/2010 12:17, Recliner wrote:
"Paul wrote in message wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Has anyone checked these signs in the dark? ISTR that the former WAGN white on blue signs were virtually invisible at night. (Of course the relative positions of the signs and lamps abd the inclination of the sign also affect this.) |
South West Trains platform signage.
On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:07:54 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote: White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Seems to be almost a European standard. DB, SNCF and SBB (OK, not EU, I know) use that format. I think it looks quite nice, personally. Next stop, a National Rail livery? :) Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK To reply put my first name before the at. |
South West Trains platform signage.
On May 17, 5:37*pm, Neil Williams
wrote: Next stop, a National Rail livery? :) Blue and Grey? |
South West Trains platform signage.
On Mon, 17 May 2010 18:37:50 +0200, Neil Williams
wrote: On Sun, 16 May 2010 23:07:54 +0100, "Paul Scott" wrote: White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Seems to be almost a European standard. DB, SNCF and SBB (OK, not EU, I know) use that format. I think it looks quite nice, personally. Next stop, a National Rail livery? :) Yes please! Not just one livery. One for InterCity, one for Network SouthEast, one for Regional Railways and one for JockRail. |
South West Trains platform signage.
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South West Trains platform signage.
On Mon, 17 May 2010 23:28:08 +0100, Bruce
wrote: Not just one livery. One for InterCity, one for Network SouthEast, one for Regional Railways and one for JockRail. See my other post - but I'm not sure why NSE really needs its own - surely it is just (to some extent) a mix of regional, interregional and "InterCity" services? Particularly now something formed out of a former NSE operator (LM) gets all the way to Crewe. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK To reply put my first name before the at. |
South West Trains platform signage.
On Tue, 18 May 2010 00:35:17 +0200, Neil Williams
wrote: On Mon, 17 May 2010 23:28:08 +0100, Bruce wrote: Not just one livery. One for InterCity, one for Network SouthEast, one for Regional Railways and one for JockRail. See my other post - but I'm not sure why NSE really needs its own - surely it is just (to some extent) a mix of regional, interregional and "InterCity" services? Particularly now something formed out of a former NSE operator (LM) gets all the way to Crewe. Perhaps you're taking this just a little too seriously. |
South West Trains platform signage.
On 16 May, 23:07, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Spyke" wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. *wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. *When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. *I suppose regular users will get used to them.. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Paul Interesting, but it seems that all stations from West Croydon to New Cross Gate (bar Forest Hill at time of writing) now have black on orange signage for London Overground services (full timetable commencing next Sunday). Crystal Palace too, but apparently dark blue (black?) on white with orange stripe at top. Here's an example: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...gnage_2010.JPG |
South West Trains platform signage.
On 16 May, 23:07, "Paul Scott" wrote:
"Spyke" wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. *wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. *When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. *I suppose regular users will get used to them.. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Paul Due to this discussion I've now noticed a new style of external station sign, which incorporates a BR arrows of indecision in white on red and, in a panel at the bottom, the station name in white on black*. *or very dark blue or charcoal or whatever. |
South West Trains platform signage.
On 19 May, 21:14, MIG wrote:
On 16 May, 23:07, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Spyke" wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. *wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. *When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. *I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Paul Due to this discussion I've now noticed a new style of external station sign, which incorporates a BR arrows of indecision in white on red and, in a panel at the bottom, the station name in white on black*. *or very dark blue or charcoal or whatever. I know the signage is London Overground, but the National Rail like this one at Penge West? http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...nce_2010. JPG |
South West Trains platform signage.
On 14 May, 16:11, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Compare and contrast: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...on_signage.JPG I went round the Hounslow loop this morning - none of the stations between there and Barnes have the new platform name signage. |
South West Trains platform signage.
On 20 May, 14:43, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
On 19 May, 21:14, MIG wrote: On 16 May, 23:07, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Spyke" wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. *wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. *When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. *I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Paul Due to this discussion I've now noticed a new style of external station sign, which incorporates a BR arrows of indecision in white on red and, in a panel at the bottom, the station name in white on black*. *or very dark blue or charcoal or whatever. I know the signage is London Overground, but the National Rail like this one at Penge West?http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...est_stn_en...- No; the one I noticed recently was more like the white on red BR sign that can also be seen in the picture, but with a white on black station name below the red panel. So the symbol is vertically above the name, and bigger than the name. I'll see if I can get a snap of one somewhere. |
South West Trains platform signage.
Worcester Park also has the white on black signage, but lacking zone
info (the the others like this being Hampton Court and New Malden). http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ew_signage.JPG |
South West Trains platform signage.
On 20 May, 18:57, MIG wrote:
On 20 May, 14:43, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 19 May, 21:14, MIG wrote: On 16 May, 23:07, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Spyke" wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. *wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. *When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. *I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Paul Due to this discussion I've now noticed a new style of external station sign, which incorporates a BR arrows of indecision in white on red and, in a panel at the bottom, the station name in white on black*. *or very dark blue or charcoal or whatever. I know the signage is London Overground, but the National Rail like this one at Penge West?http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...ge_West_stn_en... No; the one I noticed recently was more like the white on red BR sign that can also be seen in the picture, but with a white on black station name below the red panel. *So the symbol is vertically above the name, and bigger than the name. I'll see if I can get a snap of one somewhere.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...t_entrance.JPG You mean just like the above but the lettering colours reversed? |
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On 21 May, 00:52, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
On 20 May, 18:57, MIG wrote: On 20 May, 14:43, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 19 May, 21:14, MIG wrote: On 16 May, 23:07, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Spyke" wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. *wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. *When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. *I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Paul Due to this discussion I've now noticed a new style of external station sign, which incorporates a BR arrows of indecision in white on red and, in a panel at the bottom, the station name in white on black*. *or very dark blue or charcoal or whatever. I know the signage is London Overground, but the National Rail like this one at Penge West?http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...ge_West_stn_en... No; the one I noticed recently was more like the white on red BR sign that can also be seen in the picture, but with a white on black station name below the red panel. *So the symbol is vertically above the name, and bigger than the name. I'll see if I can get a snap of one somewhere.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tn_east_entran... You mean just like the above but the lettering colours reversed? Yes, basically. They may be common already, but it still struck me as odd when I saw one. I will keep an eye out now. |
South West Trains platform signage.
On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:48:28 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil"
wrote: Worcester Park also has the white on black signage, but lacking zone info (the the others like this being Hampton Court and New Malden). http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ew_signage.JPG Looks fairly professional. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK To reply put my first name before the at. |
South West Trains platform signage.
On May 21, 3:16*pm, Neil Williams wrote: On Thu, 20 May 2010 16:48:28 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. Sunil" wrote: Worcester Park also has the white on black signage, but lacking zone info (the the others like this being Hampton Court and New Malden). http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...ew_signage.JPG Looks fairly professional. Wonder if the colour scheme - specifically the inverted white on navy blue (for that's what it is right - it's not black I don't think) is intended to discourage casual graffitists and taggers, what with the lack of empty white space? Or maybe it just provides the best contrast. What's the font? It looks like the SWT house font to me, which is why I wonder whether this is the embodiment of a new national standard... Or maybe the standard is rather loose, merely specifying white on navy blue text, but the font is of the TOCs choosing. Looking back at the Surbiton examples in the first post of this thread, it is indeed the same font - and it's not the classic (BR) Rail Alphabet font either. |
South West Trains platform signage.
In message
, Mizter T writes What's the font? It looks like the SWT house font to me, Which I think is plain old Arial Bold, although not a bad choice because it is a font recommended for clarity, particularly for people with visual impairments. -- Paul Terry |
South West Trains platform signage.
On 21 May, 00:52, "Dr. Sunil" wrote:
On 20 May, 18:57, MIG wrote: On 20 May, 14:43, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 19 May, 21:14, MIG wrote: On 16 May, 23:07, "Paul Scott" wrote: "Spyke" wrote in message ... On 14/05/2010 16:36, Theo Markettos wrote: Dr. *wrote: In recent months, South West Trains have changed a lot of signage on the platforms at their stations in the Oystercard Area (though not all of them). Noticed new signs (so far) at Queenstown Road, Vauxhall, Earlsfield, Raynes Park, New Malden, Norbiton, Twickenham, Surbiton and Feltham. But I have yet to check out the Hounslow loop, Hampton/ Fulwell, Thames Ditton and the Chessington and Ewell West branches in recent months though. Yes, I noticed that. *When viewed from a distance it's easy to mistake them for platform numbers. *I suppose regular users will get used to them. Theo They are rolling out the new white-on-blue style across their whole network, not just in the zones. Aldershot has them as well (without Fare zone label obviously). White on navy blue is supposedly going to be being rolled out nationally, not just on SWT. It was one of the decisions following the stations report prepared for the last Transport Secretary, the idea being that signage will no longer be changed with franchise renewals. Paul Due to this discussion I've now noticed a new style of external station sign, which incorporates a BR arrows of indecision in white on red and, in a panel at the bottom, the station name in white on black*. *or very dark blue or charcoal or whatever. I know the signage is London Overground, but the National Rail like this one at Penge West?http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...ge_West_stn_en... No; the one I noticed recently was more like the white on red BR sign that can also be seen in the picture, but with a white on black station name below the red panel. *So the symbol is vertically above the name, and bigger than the name. I'll see if I can get a snap of one somewhere.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tn_east_entran... You mean just like the above but the lettering colours reversed?- Here's what I mean. Pardon the crappy picture. I couldn't get the Thing to work, and then as I was giving up the shutter went off. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fenny.jpg |
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On May 21, 8:40*pm, MIG wrote: On 21 May, 00:52, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 20 May, 18:57, MIG wrote: On 20 May, 14:43, "Dr. Sunil" wrote: On 19 May, 21:14, MIG wrote: Due to this discussion I've now noticed a new style of external station sign, which incorporates a BR arrows of indecision in white on red and, in a panel at the bottom, the station name in white on black*. *or very dark blue or charcoal or whatever. I know the signage is London Overground, but the National Rail like this one at Penge West? http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index...nce_2010. JPG No; the one I noticed recently was more like the white on red BR sign that can also be seen in the picture, but with a white on black station name below the red panel. *So the symbol is vertically above the name, and bigger than the name. I'll see if I can get a snap of one somewhere. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi..._entrance..JPG You mean just like the above but the lettering colours reversed?- Here's what I mean. *Pardon the crappy picture. *I couldn't get the Thing to work, and then as I was giving up the shutter went off. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fenny.jpg That looks very much like the London Midland house font to me - whether the black backing is explained by that being the LM house style too (see their printed publicity or website for example), or because there's some edict that station nameboards and totems won't carry TOC logos any more I dunno. But if there is such an edict then it' would appear to be somewhat loose. |
South West Trains platform signage.
On Fri, 21 May 2010 12:40:50 -0700 (PDT), MIG
wrote: Here's what I mean. Pardon the crappy picture. I couldn't get the Thing to work, and then as I was giving up the shutter went off. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fenny.jpg That's the white-on-black London Midland signage. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK To reply put my first name before the at. |
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On 23 May, 20:03, Neil Williams
wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2010 12:40:50 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote: Here's what I mean. *Pardon the crappy picture. *I couldn't get the Thing to work, and then as I was giving up the shutter went off. http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Fenny.jpg That's the white-on-black London Midland signage. Yes; that's what I would have assumed if it hadn't been for the discussion. But that particular style/combination is not something I have noticed till recently, even on LM. Maybe I just haven't noticed. |
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On Sun, 23 May 2010 12:22:05 -0700 (PDT), MIG
wrote: Yes; that's what I would have assumed if it hadn't been for the discussion. But that particular style/combination is not something I have noticed till recently, even on LM. Maybe I just haven't noticed. You probably haven't :). All LM stations that have had the new signage are in that style (that might well now be all LM stations full stop - even Polesworth has had it!) Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK To reply put my first name before the at. |
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