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On 19 May, 18:45, "Paul Scott" wrote:
wrote: I see that the 'new' station building, the green Crystal Palace lookalike thing, is still there. *The plans showed this as to be demolished. *Is the original booking hall back in use? I believe that work is still to commence? We had a discussion about it a few weeks ago, it appeared then it has been dealt with as a separate planning application to the platform works and is running to a completely different timetable... Paul S I've just noticed that in this pictu http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...look_west2.jpg there seem to be metal handrails for some steps leading down from the now disused platform to the trackbed of the long-disused bay. What are they for? Are they for access to a S&T cabinet, or something similar? |
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On May 19, 6:45*pm, "Paul Scott" wrote: wrote: I see that the 'new' station building, the green Crystal Palace lookalike thing, is still there. *The plans showed this as to be demolished. *Is the original booking hall back in use? I believe that work is still to commence? We had a discussion about it a few weeks ago, it appeared then it has been dealt with as a separate planning application to the platform works and is running to a completely different timetable... Called the 'liable for the chop' timetable perhaps... (Would be a great shame - the original booking hall and station building are rather grand and should be put to good railway use.) |
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, () wrote: I've just noticed that in this pictu http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tform_6_look_w est2.jpg there seem to be metal handrails for some steps leading down from the now disused platform to the trackbed of the long-disused bay. What are they for? Are they for access to a S&T cabinet, or something similar? Also why the "Do not alight here" signs on a platform with seats on it? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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On 21 May, 00:47, wrote:
In article , () wrote: I've just noticed that in this pictu http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...tn_platform_6_... est2.jpg there seem to be metal handrails for some steps leading down from the now disused platform to the trackbed of the long-disused bay. *What are they for? *Are they for access to a S&T cabinet, or something similar? Also why the "Do not alight here" signs on a platform with seats on it? -- Colin Rosenstiel Could they be temporary? Maybe Spanish Solution (two platforms serving the same track) is to be implemented? |
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wrote: In article , (Dr. Sunil) wrote: On 21 May, 00:47, wrote: In article , Also why the "Do not alight here" signs on a platform with seats on it? Could they be temporary? Maybe Spanish Solution (two platforms serving the same track) is to be implemented? Doubt it, though I notice there is also a sign indicating train departures as well. They probably just haven't got around to removing the seats and indicator yet. The main priority has got to be getting the new platforms ready, not tidying up the one that's being taken out of use. |
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Dr. Sunil wrote:
On 21 May, 00:47, wrote: Also why the "Do not alight here" signs on a platform with seats on it? Could they be temporary? Maybe Spanish Solution (two platforms serving the same track) is to be implemented? Not at all likely as [IIRC from discussions in uk.railway] current mainline stock door controls only allow opening on one side. Paul S |
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(solar penguin) wrote: wrote: In article , (Dr. Sunil) wrote: On 21 May, 00:47, wrote: In article , Also why the "Do not alight here" signs on a platform with seats on it? Could they be temporary? Maybe Spanish Solution (two platforms serving the same track) is to be implemented? Doubt it, though I notice there is also a sign indicating train departures as well. They probably just haven't got around to removing the seats and indicator yet. The main priority has got to be getting the new platforms ready, not tidying up the one that's being taken out of use. OIC. So that was the platform in use but they are abandoning it? Why adopt a more costly option like that? -- Colin Rosenstiel |
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wrote in message ... In article , (solar penguin) wrote: wrote: In article , (Dr. Sunil) wrote: On 21 May, 00:47, wrote: In article , Also why the "Do not alight here" signs on a platform with seats on it? Could they be temporary? Maybe Spanish Solution (two platforms serving the same track) is to be implemented? Doubt it, though I notice there is also a sign indicating train departures as well. They probably just haven't got around to removing the seats and indicator yet. The main priority has got to be getting the new platforms ready, not tidying up the one that's being taken out of use. OIC. So that was the platform in use but they are abandoning it? Why adopt a more costly option like that? I think the main practical reason might be to allow them to provide one less lift when they get round to the access improvments. A single lift to access (newly renumbered) P5/6 can easily be provided at the same level as the P1/2 footbridge and the lift to P3/4. There's also a possibility that easy cross platform interchange was a separate aim, arriving from Gypsy Hill (into new P6) it might potentially be the best place to transfer to a waiting LO service standing in new P5 - depending on your final destination. Paul S |
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On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:48:44 +0100, "Paul Scott"
wrote: Not at all likely as [IIRC from discussions in uk.railway] current mainline stock door controls only allow opening on one side. Really? I'd be surprised if you couldn't open both sides separately[1]. Unless the "close" buttons close all doors regardless of size, in which case you'd need more staff to watch the "wrong" side when closing. [1] You definitely can on 321s, as these can often be seen in Bletchley CS with all doors open on both sides, presumably during cleaning. Neil -- Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK To reply put my first name before the at. |
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Neil Williams wrote:
On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:48:44 +0100, "Paul Scott" wrote: Not at all likely as [IIRC from discussions in uk.railway] current mainline stock door controls only allow opening on one side. Really? I'd be surprised if you couldn't open both sides separately[1]. Unless the "close" buttons close all doors regardless of size, in which case you'd need more staff to watch the "wrong" side when closing. [1] You definitely can on 321s, as these can often be seen in Bletchley CS with all doors open on both sides, presumably during cleaning. Yes - in the general case I think it's probably to do with a single guard or driver (when in one man operation mode) only being able to sight one side clear at a time, but I'm sure we've also been told here before that on stock like Desiros or Electrostars the position of the guard's key defines the only side that will open. Of course that may be overidden in depots somehow. Paul S |
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On 21 May, 17:48, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Could they be temporary? Maybe Spanish Solution (two platforms serving the same track) is to be implemented? Not at all likely as [IIRC from discussions in uk.railway] current mainline stock door controls only allow opening on one side. Why would that be the case' I'm not saying that it isn't? At some busy locations having separate entrance and exit platforms on opposite sides, and opening the exit doors first seems like a good idea, though it seems unlikely that they would want to do it here. Isn't this what they're doing on the Central Line at Stratford? I was at Crystal Palace today; came into the new platform 5, and departed from platform 2 on a train to croydon. The now disused old platform 4 is clearly not intended to be used anytime soon, though I did read somewhere that it was going to be kept in a state such that it could be re-instated if an extra platform was ever needed. The end of the footbridge leading to this platform has been blocked by decorative railings. there is a locked gate in them, but it is too narrow to be intended for public use. Strangely, the steps to this platform Seem to have new handrails, including a lower rail for use by children, as with he steps to the new centre platform. The steps leading down onto the trackbed of the long-disused bay on the other side of this platform do indeed provide access to a S&T cabinet. Beyond this cabinet the old stop block still exists in this bay, despite that it's had no track in it for many years. Climbing up the stairs to the footbridge to the footbridge from the recently re-built cebtre platform I'm rather puzzled. I'm pretty sure that there used to be two tracks between what is now platform 6, and the recently disused platform, and I think the new centre platform has been built wider than the old one was, though I never saw the old one. I can't quite make out what the old arrangement was. As I was climbing the stairs I thought they looked rather wider than they used to be, and assumed that they had been widened. However, once I reached the footbridge, I saw that right next to these stairs was what I had seen in the past, and assumed to be the stairs to the then demolished centre platform. This if fact seems to be a steep slope, about as steep as a staircase, but with no steps, just strips of woo fixed across it, and it doesn't go right down to the platform, only about half way. Was this the old staircase, cut back at some time, or something else? I'm pretty sure that there were some rooms on the short stub of the old centre platform which used to be there under the bridge,so staff must have had access to them somehow. Something I didn't think to check while I was there; access to trains from the new platform 6 is now from the opposite side to when it was from the old platform 4. Has the conductor rail on this track been moved to the opposite side? The site of the stop blocks for the old Croydon bays has been covered by some large green boxes; site huts for the building works possibly? |
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On 21 May, 17:48, "Paul Scott" wrote: Not at all likely as [IIRC from discussions in uk.railway] current mainline stock door controls only allow opening on one side. Why would that be the case' I'm not saying that it isn't? At some busy locations having separate entrance and exit platforms on opposite sides, and opening the exit doors first seems like a good idea, though it seems unlikely that they would want to do it here. Isn't this what they're doing on the Central Line at Stratford? As I've mentioned in another post tonight I think it's more to do with the staff not being able to safely check the doors on both sides prior to departure - but I'm basically going by previous posts that reckon modern stock doesn't allow more than one door control panel to be used at the same time. I guess LU must have much better CCTV - just how many doors are there are on both sides of a Central Line train? Climbing up the stairs to the footbridge to the footbridge from the recently re-built cebtre platform I'm rather puzzled. I'm pretty sure that there used to be two tracks between what is now platform 6, and the recently disused platform, and I think the new centre platform has been built wider than the old one was, though I never saw the old one. I can't quite make out what the old arrangement was. I never saw the central platform arrangements, although I've seen photos of the more recent wide open space with a couple of sidings in the middle, but as the tracks go through the main building there seem to be faces on both sides of the single through track. Might these platform faces have continued so that the two through tracks had double faces, and there were two bays in the centre? There's bound to be someone along soon with the facts... ..... This if fact seems to be a steep slope, about as steep as a staircase, but with no steps, just strips of woo fixed across it, and it doesn't go right down to the platform, only about half way. Was this the old staircase, cut back at some time, or something else? I'm pretty sure that there were some rooms on the short stub of the old centre platform which used to be there under the bridge,so staff must have had access to them somehow. Is that stub of the stairs which would have gone down in line with the new platform 5 tracks? They appear to have been cut off at some time to allow for a traction supplies building to be built on the disused platform end. It's right in front as you emerge into the main shed from platform 2. Does the photo here help? http://www.flickr.com/photos/dolly_d...7594122920191/ Paul S |
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On May 23, 9:41*pm, wrote: [snip] I was at Crystal Palace today; came into the new platform 5, and departed from platform 2 on a train to croydon. *The now disused old platform 4 is clearly not intended to be used anytime soon, though I did read somewhere that it was going to be kept in a state such that it could be re-instated if an extra platform was ever needed. *The end of the footbridge leading to this platform has been blocked by decorative railings. *there is a locked gate in them, but it is too narrow to be intended for public use. *[snip] The gate wasn't actually locked today. |
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Mizter T wrote:
On May 23, 9:41 pm, wrote: [snip] I was at Crystal Palace today; came into the new platform 5, and departed from platform 2 on a train to croydon. The now disused old platform 4 is clearly not intended to be used anytime soon, though I did read somewhere that it was going to be kept in a state such that it could be re-instated if an extra platform was ever needed. The end of the footbridge leading to this platform has been blocked by decorative railings. there is a locked gate in them, but it is too narrow to be intended for public use. [snip] The gate wasn't actually locked today. Maybe they had a few drivers opening up on the wrong side! Paul S |
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On 23 May, 22:23, "Paul Scott" wrote:
Is that stub of the stairs which would have gone down in line with the new platform 5 tracks? They appear to have been cut off at some time to allow for a traction supplies building to be built on the disused platform end. It's right in front as you emerge into the main shed from platform 2. Does the photo here help? http://www.flickr.com/photos/dolly_d.../set-720575941... Paul S Yes, that looks like it. The building just visible on the right, with what looks like yellow tape on it is the TP hut, or whatever it is, with the track feeder cables coming out of the side, isn't it? If these were the original steps to the old centre platform, then where was the access to the room which can be seen behind the signal head? Maybe a narrow staircase was built where the new one is, and widened for the new service. Does anybody know when the old centre platform was removed? I suspcet it was long ago, The Palace was in decline years before it burned down, so some of the platforms were probably already out of use by that time. |
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wrote in message ... On 23 May, 22:23, "Paul Scott" wrote: Is that stub of the stairs which would have gone down in line with the new platform 5 tracks? They appear to have been cut off at some time to allow for a traction supplies building to be built on the disused platform end. It's right in front as you emerge into the main shed from platform 2. Does the photo here help? http://www.flickr.com/photos/dolly_d.../set-720575941... Paul S Yes, that looks like it. The building just visible on the right, with what looks like yellow tape on it is the TP hut, or whatever it is, with the track feeder cables coming out of the side, isn't it? If these were the original steps to the old centre platform, then where was the access to the room which can be seen behind the signal head? Maybe a narrow staircase was built where the new one is, and widened for the new service. Does anybody know when the old centre platform was removed? I suspcet it was long ago, The Palace was in decline years before it burned down, so some of the platforms were probably already out of use by that time. From my visits to the station over the last couple of years, I don't think any significant work has been done to the stairs - other than a good clean, and as you suggest the handrails. The one you describe using to get from the new central platform was always there, just gated off. As I suggested in the my previous post, I don't think there was a central island, I think it might have been like this, if t works out, where S is stairs, p is platform and t track: West ---- East SSSStttttttttttttttttttttt pppppppppppppp ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt (through line) pppppppppppppp SSSSpppttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt SSSSppptttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt pppppppppppppp ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt (through line) pppppppppppppp SSSSttttttttttttttttttttttt Paul S |
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On 24 May, 13:33, "Paul Scott" wrote:
wrote in message ... On 23 May, 22:23, "Paul Scott" wrote: Is that stub of the stairs which would have gone down in line with the new platform 5 tracks? They appear to have been cut off at some time to allow for a traction supplies building to be built on the disused platform end. It's right in front as you emerge into the main shed from platform 2. Does the photo here help? http://www.flickr.com/photos/dolly_d.../set-720575941.... Paul S Yes, that looks like it. *The building just visible on the right, with what looks like yellow tape on it is the TP hut, or whatever it is, with the track feeder cables coming out of the side, isn't it? *If these were the original steps to the old centre platform, then where was the access to the room which can be seen behind the signal head? Maybe a narrow staircase was built where the new one is, and widened for the new service. *Does anybody know when the old centre platform was removed? *I suspcet it was long ago, *The Palace was in decline years before it burned down, so some of the platforms were probably already out of use by that time. From my visits to the station over the last couple of years, I don't think any significant work has been done to the stairs - other than a good clean, and as you suggest the handrails. The one you describe using to get from the new central platform was always there, just gated off. As I suggested in the my previous post, I don't think there was a central island, I think it might have been like this, if t works out, where S is stairs, p is platform and t track: West ---- East SSSStttttttttttttttttttttt pppppppppppppp ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt * (through line) pppppppppppppp SSSSpppttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt SSSSppptttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt pppppppppppppp ttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt * (through line) pppppppppppppp SSSSttttttttttttttttttttttt Paul S- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - You could be right. That would give the six tracks that I'm pretty sure I saw in the old picture, platforms on both sides of most tracks, to cope with the large crowds. Platforms would have been rather narrow by todays standards, but that was often the case then. If you were to remove the two centre tracks, and build a wall down the centre supporting the roof, then I think you would have the track arrangement of the high-level station.Of course, at high-level the tracks extended beyond the station onto the turntable. The low-level seems to have had no way to release a locomotive from the bay platforms before the stock was removed, unless things were changed after electrification. |
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Neil Williams wrote
On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:48:44 +0100, "Paul Scott" wrote: Not at all likely as [IIRC from discussions in uk.railway] current mainline stock door controls only allow opening on one side. Really? I'd be surprised if you couldn't open both sides separately[1]. Unless the "close" buttons close all doors regardless of size, in which case you'd need more staff to watch the "wrong" side when closing. [1] You definitely can on 321s, as these can often be seen in Bletchley CS with all doors open on both sides, presumably during cleaning. And I am pretty sure I have seen DMUs with both sides open, probably at Guildford. May be Terminus Mode rather than Running Mode ? -- Mike D |
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Michael R N Dolbear wrote:
Neil Williams wrote On Fri, 21 May 2010 17:48:44 +0100, "Paul Scott" wrote: Not at all likely as [IIRC from discussions in uk.railway] current mainline stock door controls only allow opening on one side. Really? I'd be surprised if you couldn't open both sides separately[1]. Unless the "close" buttons close all doors regardless of size, in which case you'd need more staff to watch the "wrong" side when closing. [1] You definitely can on 321s, as these can often be seen in Bletchley CS with all doors open on both sides, presumably during cleaning. And I am pretty sure I have seen DMUs with both sides open, probably at Guildford. You may have done at some time, but the Guildford overhead displays nowadays state that train doors do not open on whichever platform number it is. Greenford bay and the Reading bays (6&7?) are also always operated from one side only. Paul S |
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solar penguin wrote:
They probably just haven't got around to removing the seats and indicator yet. The main priority has got to be getting the new platforms ready, not tidying up the one that's being taken out of use. They're gone today, so probably done earlier in the week as there was absolutely no sign at about lunchtime. Looked like the old P4 'one person operation mirrors' will be next to go, they've been turned away from the live tracks... Paul S |
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On 27 May, 22:26, "Paul Scott" wrote:
solar penguin wrote: They probably just haven't got around to removing the seats and indicator yet. *The main priority has got to be getting the new platforms ready, not tidying up the one that's being taken out of use. They're gone today, so probably done earlier in the week as there was absolutely no sign at about lunchtime. Looked like the old P4 'one person operation mirrors' will be next to go, they've been turned away from the live tracks... Paul S I think they were doing the seating on Thursday morning, I got there about 10.43 and they were busy then! |
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