"redcat" wrote in message
m


Trains ran very smoothly, btw, and I lucked out with timing, hardly
having to wait for them at all. Was I just fortunate? Or have things
improved? I notice the Oyster no longer works to save you money. It's
now L1.80 per journey (in zone 1&2 for me)each and every time. Last
year I seem to recall you wouldn't go over a certain amount of money
on a given day within your zones.

Yes, there's usually a pretty frequent service on all the central London
lines. It's sparser on the more distant branches (eg, every ten minutes
or so).

Oyster definitely saves you money. Not only are Oyster fares much lower
than cash fares, but there is still day capping. However, the rules are
complex and the cap is now higher than before, as Oyster is now valid on
more NR routes. This means you're less likely to benefit from it than in
the past.

Recliner wrote:
"redcat" wrote in message
m

Trains ran very smoothly, btw, and I lucked out with timing, hardly
having to wait for them at all. Was I just fortunate? Or have things
improved? I notice the Oyster no longer works to save you money. It's
now L1.80 per journey (in zone 1&2 for me)each and every time. Last
year I seem to recall you wouldn't go over a certain amount of money
on a given day within your zones.

Yes, there's usually a pretty frequent service on all the central London
lines. It's sparser on the more distant branches (eg, every ten minutes
or so).

Oyster definitely saves you money. Not only are Oyster fares much lower
than cash fares, but there is still day capping. However, the rules are
complex and the cap is now higher than before, as Oyster is now valid on
more NR routes. This means you're less likely to benefit from it than in
the past.


Thanks, that makes sense. I guess the peak fare capping was triggered
each day by us travelling after 4 pm. Well, who doesn't? :-) That daily
cap for us was £7.20. I see the bus cap is really reasonable. I enjoy
the buses. But it seems the one I want is always zooming by, yet when I
get to the stop to wait for the same number bus it never comes. The 38
along Piccadilly - Victoria comes to mind.

rc

"redcat" wrote in message
m
Recliner wrote:
"redcat" wrote in message
m

Trains ran very smoothly, btw, and I lucked out with timing, hardly
having to wait for them at all. Was I just fortunate? Or have things
improved? I notice the Oyster no longer works to save you money.
It's now L1.80 per journey (in zone 1&2 for me)each and every time.
Last year I seem to recall you wouldn't go over a certain amount of
money on a given day within your zones.

Yes, there's usually a pretty frequent service on all the central
London lines. It's sparser on the more distant branches (eg, every
ten minutes or so).

Oyster definitely saves you money. Not only are Oyster fares much
lower than cash fares, but there is still day capping. However, the
rules are complex and the cap is now higher than before, as Oyster
is now valid on more NR routes. This means you're less likely to
benefit from it than in the past.


Thanks, that makes sense. I guess the peak fare capping was triggered
each day by us travelling after 4 pm. Well, who doesn't? :-) That
daily cap for us was £7.20.

No, the peak fare capping is triggered if you travel before 9:30 (or
such trips are left out of the off-peak cap).

Recliner wrote:
"redcat" wrote in message
m
Recliner wrote:
"redcat" wrote in message
m

Trains ran very smoothly, btw, and I lucked out with timing, hardly
having to wait for them at all. Was I just fortunate? Or have things
improved? I notice the Oyster no longer works to save you money.
It's now L1.80 per journey (in zone 1&2 for me)each and every time.
Last year I seem to recall you wouldn't go over a certain amount of
money on a given day within your zones.
Yes, there's usually a pretty frequent service on all the central
London lines. It's sparser on the more distant branches (eg, every
ten minutes or so).

Oyster definitely saves you money. Not only are Oyster fares much
lower than cash fares, but there is still day capping. However, the
rules are complex and the cap is now higher than before, as Oyster
is now valid on more NR routes. This means you're less likely to
benefit from it than in the past.


Thanks, that makes sense. I guess the peak fare capping was triggered
each day by us travelling after 4 pm. Well, who doesn't? :-) That
daily cap for us was £7.20.

No, the peak fare capping is triggered if you travel before 9:30 (or
such trips are left out of the off-peak cap).


Hmmmmmm. OK, I see. Travelling at rush hour in the evening I would pay
the peak oyster fare for that time. Still, take a couple of trips at
that time and you're up to the £7.20, anyway, even if you started your
Underground day after 9:29 am. Correct?

On 21 May, 13:04, redcat wrote:
Recliner wrote:
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Recliner wrote:
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Trains ran very smoothly, btw, and I lucked out with timing, hardly
having to wait for them at all. Was I just fortunate? Or have things
improved? I notice the Oyster no longer works to save you money.
It's now L1.80 per journey (in zone 1&2 for me)each and every time.
Last year I seem to recall you wouldn't go over a certain amount of
money on a given day within your zones.
Yes, there's usually a pretty frequent service on all the central
London lines. It's sparser on the more distant branches (eg, every
ten minutes or so).

Oyster definitely saves you money. Not only are Oyster fares much
lower than cash fares, but there is still day capping. However, the
rules are complex and the cap is now higher than before, as Oyster
is now valid on more NR routes. This means you're less likely to
benefit from it than in the past.

Thanks, that makes sense. I guess the peak fare capping was triggered
each day by us travelling after 4 pm. Well, who doesn't? :-) That
daily cap for us was £7.20.

No, the peak fare capping is triggered if you travel before 9:30 (or
such trips are left out of the off-peak cap).

Hmmmmmm. OK, I see. Travelling at rush hour in the evening I would pay
the peak oyster fare for that time.

Yes - but you are only subject to the off-peak daily caps during the
evening peak.

Still, take a couple of trips at
that time and you're up to the £7.20, anyway, even if you started your
Underground day after 9:29 am. Correct?

Not quite sure what you mean by that. If you only travel after 09:30
on weekdays then you can only ever be subject to the off-peak cap
(which applies up to 04:29 the next day).

The important thing to note is that the peak periods for single PAYG
fares and for capping purposes is different - for single fares the
peak period is 06:30-09:30 and 16:00-19:00 weekdays, whilst for
capping purposes the peak period is 04:30-09:30 (with no evening
period).

On May 21, 12:39 pm, "Recliner" wrote:

"redcat" wrote:

Recliner wrote:

"redcat" wrote:

Trains ran very smoothly, btw, and I lucked out with timing, hardly
having to wait for them at all. Was I just fortunate? Or have things
improved? I notice the Oyster no longer works to save you money.
It's now L1.80 per journey (in zone 1&2 for me)each and every time.
Last year I seem to recall you wouldn't go over a certain amount of
money on a given day within your zones.

Yes, there's usually a pretty frequent service on all the central
London lines. It's sparser on the more distant branches (eg, every
ten minutes or so).

Oyster definitely saves you money. Not only are Oyster fares much
lower than cash fares, but there is still day capping. However, the
rules are complex and the cap is now higher than before, as Oyster
is now valid on more NR routes. This means you're less likely to
benefit from it than in the past.

Thanks, that makes sense. I guess the peak fare capping was triggered
each day by us travelling after 4 pm. Well, who doesn't? :-) That
daily cap for us was £7.20.

No, the peak fare capping is triggered if you travel before 9:30 (or
such trips are left out of the off-peak cap).

Correct - however doing just a single z1 Tube journey before 09:30
will mean that one is capped at the peak UKP7.20 rate for z1&2 travel
- that is if one stays within z1&2 for the rest of the day of course
(or if one only ventures beyind on buses, which aren't zonal).

On 21 May, 13:53, Mizter T wrote:
On May 21, 12:39 pm, "Recliner" wrote:





"redcat" wrote:

Recliner wrote:

"redcat" wrote:

Trains ran very smoothly, btw, and I lucked out with timing, hardly
having to wait for them at all. Was I just fortunate? Or have things
improved? I notice the Oyster no longer works to save you money.
It's now L1.80 per journey (in zone 1&2 for me)each and every time.
Last year I seem to recall you wouldn't go over a certain amount of
money on a given day within your zones.

Yes, there's usually a pretty frequent service on all the central
London lines. It's sparser on the more distant branches (eg, every
ten minutes or so).

Oyster definitely saves you money. Not only are Oyster fares much
lower than cash fares, but there is still day capping. However, the
rules are complex and the cap is now higher than before, as Oyster
is now valid on more NR routes. This means you're less likely to
benefit from it than in the past.

Thanks, that makes sense. I guess the peak fare capping was triggered
each day by us travelling after 4 pm. Well, who doesn't? :-) That
daily cap for us was £7.20.

No, the peak fare capping is triggered if you travel before 9:30 (or
such trips are left out of the off-peak cap).

Correct - however doing just a single z1 Tube journey before 09:30
will mean that one is capped at the peak UKP7.20 rate for z1&2 travel
- that is if one stays within z1&2 for the rest of the day of course
(or if one only ventures beyind on buses, which aren't zonal).

.... because £5.60 plus £1.80 is more than £7.20 anyway, but a zone 2
peak journey wouldn't stop your off-peak travel being capped at £5.60,
resulting in a total of £6.90 no matter how much off-peak zone 1 - 2
travel you did.

One thing I am not clear on: now that there is no different peak fare
for buses, does a bus journey before 0930 get included in the off-peak
cap, or result in, say, £6.80?

On May 21, 2:36*pm, MIG wrote:

On 21 May, 13:53, Mizter T wrote:

On May 21, 12:39 pm, "Recliner" wrote:

[snip]

Oyster definitely saves you money. Not only are Oyster fares much
lower than cash fares, but there is still day capping. However, the
rules are complex and the cap is now higher than before, as Oyster
is now valid on more NR routes. This means you're less likely to
benefit from it than in the past.

Thanks, that makes sense. I guess the peak fare capping was triggered
each day by us travelling after 4 pm. Well, who doesn't? :-) That
daily cap for us was £7.20.

No, the peak fare capping is triggered if you travel before 9:30 (or
such trips are left out of the off-peak cap).

Correct - however doing just a single z1 Tube journey before 09:30
will mean that one is capped at the peak UKP7.20 rate for z1&2 travel
- that is if one stays within z1&2 for the rest of the day of course
(or if one only ventures beyind on buses, which aren't zonal).

... because £5.60 plus £1.80 is more than £7.20 anyway, but a zone 2
peak journey wouldn't stop your off-peak travel being capped at £5.60,
resulting in a total of £6.90 no matter how much off-peak zone 1 - 2
travel you did.

Indeed.


One thing I am not clear on: now that there is no different peak fare
for buses, does a bus journey before 0930 get included in the off-peak
cap, or result in, say, £6.80?

A bus journey between 04:30 and 09:30 does *not* get included in any
off-peak cap, despite the fact the bus fare is the same price both
before and after 09:30. (Not just theorising, BTW - my personal
experience confirms this.)

AFAICS it's possible to have two caps in effect at the same time -
e.g. if you make four peak (pre-0930) bus journeys, leading to the bus
cap of £3.90, plus then make enough Tube and/or rail journeys to hit
the off-peak zones 1-6 cap of £7.50 - the total being £11.40, which is
less than the peak z1-6 cap of £14.80.
(Not confirmed by personal experience but I've long intended to try
this out - might be able to jimmy this experiment into a day's
travelling soon actually, if I can face the otherwise totally
pointless peak-time bus hopping that it would necessitate!)

On 21 May, 15:54, Mizter T wrote:
On May 21, 2:36*pm, MIG wrote:





On 21 May, 13:53, Mizter T wrote:

On May 21, 12:39 pm, "Recliner" wrote:

[snip]

Oyster definitely saves you money. Not only are Oyster fares much
lower than cash fares, but there is still day capping. However, the
rules are complex and the cap is now higher than before, as Oyster
is now valid on more NR routes. This means you're less likely to
benefit from it than in the past.

Thanks, that makes sense. I guess the peak fare capping was triggered
each day by us travelling after 4 pm. Well, who doesn't? :-) That
daily cap for us was £7.20.

No, the peak fare capping is triggered if you travel before 9:30 (or
such trips are left out of the off-peak cap).

Correct - however doing just a single z1 Tube journey before 09:30
will mean that one is capped at the peak UKP7.20 rate for z1&2 travel
- that is if one stays within z1&2 for the rest of the day of course
(or if one only ventures beyind on buses, which aren't zonal).

... because £5.60 plus £1.80 is more than £7.20 anyway, but a zone 2
peak journey wouldn't stop your off-peak travel being capped at £5.60,
resulting in a total of £6.90 no matter how much off-peak zone 1 - 2
travel you did.

Indeed.



One thing I am not clear on: now that there is no different peak fare
for buses, does a bus journey before 0930 get included in the off-peak
cap, or result in, say, £6.80?

A bus journey between 04:30 and 09:30 does *not* get included in any
off-peak cap, despite the fact the bus fare is the same price both
before and after 09:30. (Not just theorising, BTW - my personal
experience confirms this.)

AFAICS it's possible to have two caps in effect at the same time -
e.g. if you make four peak (pre-0930) bus journeys, leading to the bus
cap of £3.90, plus then make enough Tube and/or rail journeys to hit
the off-peak zones 1-6 cap of £7.50 - the total being £11.40, which is
less than the peak z1-6 cap of £14.80.
(Not confirmed by personal experience but I've long intended to try
this out - might be able to jimmy this experiment into a day's
travelling soon actually, if I can face the otherwise totally
pointless peak-time bus hopping that it would necessitate!)

Next question: but presumably if you did four bus journeys before 0930
and four more off peak, there's no peak bus cap, ie you don't pay two
lots of £3.90, because on the bus fare page, there is no mention of
peak at all and £3.90 is a "daily" cap.

The only indication of buses triggering a peak cap is when you hover
over the little question mark in the LU fares page. There is no
little question mark to hover over in the buses page.

So if I do four peak bus journeys, then after 0930 I do one LU journey
and four more bus journeys, I ought to be charged only the one LU fare
plus £3.90, and no subsequent bus journeys would contribute to my off-
peak cap as such (I think that's kind of what you implied by
mentioning LU/rail journeys specifically).