The displays on the gateline at St Pancras High Level have now been
changed to state "ITSO/Tickets" instead of "Oyster/Tickets" as they
previously did. Whether they actually now accept ITSO cards is hard to
check without one.
(They have always rejected Oyster cards previously, even when FCC
trains are running from the high level platforms.)

I think this is the first gateline mentioning ITSO acceptance.

On 2 July, 01:10, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
The displays on the gateline at St Pancras High Level have now been
changed to state "ITSO/Tickets" instead of "Oyster/Tickets" as they
previously did. Whether they actually now accept ITSO cards is hard to
check without one.
(They have always rejected Oyster cards previously, even when FCC
trains are running from the high level platforms.)

I think this is the first gateline mentioning ITSO acceptance.

EMT gatelines at St Pancras and Derby have ITSO readers, EMT had a
franchise committment to introduce smartcard season tickets, there are
also smartcard gate passes issued to certain people. Oyster was meant
to be updated to ITSO technology but it doesn't appear to be
happening. I believe its a similar situation at SWT.

"Andrew Cullen" wrote in message
...
On 2 July, 01:10, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
The displays on the gateline at St Pancras High Level have now been
changed to state "ITSO/Tickets" instead of "Oyster/Tickets" as they
previously did. Whether they actually now accept ITSO cards is hard to
check without one.
(They have always rejected Oyster cards previously, even when FCC
trains are running from the high level platforms.)

I think this is the first gateline mentioning ITSO acceptance.

EMT gatelines at St Pancras and Derby have ITSO readers, EMT had a
franchise committment to introduce smartcard season tickets, there are
also smartcard gate passes issued to certain people. Oyster was meant
to be updated to ITSO technology but it doesn't appear to be
happening. I believe its a similar situation at SWT.

There are a fair number of ITSO smartcard gatelines already operational on
SWT's main routes (although outside London), so St Pancras is not the
first...

Paul S

On Jul 2, 10:15*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Andrew Cullen" wrote:

On 2 July, 01:10, Matthew Dickinson
wrote:
The displays on the gateline at St Pancras High Level have now been
changed to state "ITSO/Tickets" instead of "Oyster/Tickets" as they
previously did. Whether they actually now accept ITSO cards is hard to
check without one.
(They have always rejected Oyster cards previously, even when FCC
trains are running from the high level platforms.)

I think this is the first gateline mentioning ITSO acceptance.

EMT gatelines at St Pancras and Derby have ITSO readers, EMT had a
franchise committment to introduce smartcard season tickets, there are
also smartcard gate passes issued to certain people. Oyster was meant
to be updated to ITSO technology but it doesn't appear to be
happening. I believe its a similar situation at SWT.

There are a fair number of *ITSO smartcard gatelines already operational on
SWT's main routes (although outside London), so St Pancras is not the
first...

You mean (I think) ITSO *and* Oyster compatible gates - all SWT
gatelines within the London zones (e.g. the massive array at Waterloo,
Surbiton, Earlsfield etc etc).

On 03/07/2010 07:40, Mizter T wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:15 pm, "Paul


There are a fair number of ITSO smartcard gatelines already operational on
SWT's main routes (although outside London), so St Pancras is not the
first...

You mean (I think) ITSO *and* Oyster compatible gates - all SWT
gatelines within the London zones (e.g. the massive array at Waterloo,
Surbiton, Earlsfield etc etc).

There are are readers (though not gates) at least as far away at
Brockenhurst and Sherbourne, and I don't those non-London ones take Oyster?

--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On Jul 3, 9:15 am, Arthur Figgis wrote:

On 03/07/2010 07:40, Mizter T wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:15 pm, "Paul
There are a fair number of ITSO smartcard gatelines already operational on
SWT's main routes (although outside London), so St Pancras is not the
first...

You mean (I think) ITSO *and* Oyster compatible gates - all SWT
gatelines within the London zones (e.g. the massive array at Waterloo,
Surbiton, Earlsfield etc etc).

There are are readers (though not gates) at least as far away at
Brockenhurst and Sherbourne, and I don't [think] those non-London
ones take Oyster?

I can only assume that these standalone smartcard readers don't read
Oyster - because they have no need to read Oyster, given that Oyster
ticketing is not valid outside of London (ok - a Travelcard loaded on
Oyster in conjunction with a Boundary Zone extension ticket is valid,
but you know what I mean!).

So we have gatelines with smartcard readers that have dual-capability
- Oyster *and* ITSO (for the forthcoming SWT smartcard) - the question
in my mind is whether they'll manage to sort out standalone smartcard
readers that also have this dual-capability, for installation at non-
gated stations within the London zones.

Example - North Sheen is an SWT station within the London zones that's
unlikely to ever be gated. At present it has a standalone Oyster
reader - what needs to happen is for that reader to be capable of
reading ITSO-standard railway smartcard (e.g. the forthcoming SWT
smartcard). The situation that absolutely needs to be avoided is for
there to be two separate smartcard readers side-by-side - an Oyster
reader and an ITSO card reader - because this would just cause maximum
passenger confusion. The worry, of course, is that it's all to easy to
see something utterly daft like this happening!

I *think* part of the reason SWT were so difficult about coming round
to the idea of accepting Oyster PAYG within London was that they were
in some dispute with the DfT as to how their ITSO smartcard scheme
would function alongside Oyster - I speculate that one of the problems
may have been the details as to how to get these two systems to mesh -
with DfT perhaps attempting to wash their hands of the details, and
TfL only really being interested in deploying the Oyster system (what
with the ITSO smartcard system being an SWT franchise commitment,
rather than something that directly involves TfL).

"Mizter T" wrote in message
...

On Jul 2, 10:15 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

There are a fair number of ITSO smartcard gatelines already operational on
SWT's main routes (although outside London), so St Pancras is not the
first...

You mean (I think) ITSO *and* Oyster compatible gates - all SWT
gatelines within the London zones (e.g. the massive array at Waterloo,
Surbiton, Earlsfield etc etc).

No, I meant 'outside' the London zonal area, where they are ITSO compatble,
but not Oyster compatible, and the 'Stagecoach Smart' card is in use.

AFAICT the ITSO/Oyster dual operation within the zones is still not ready.

Paul S

On Jul 3, 1:27*pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

"Mizter T" wrote:

On Jul 2, 10:15 pm, "Paul Scott"
wrote:

There are a fair number of ITSO smartcard gatelines already operational
on SWT's main routes (although outside London), so St Pancras is not
the first...

--------------------

You mean (I think) ITSO *and* Oyster compatible gates - all SWT
gatelines within the London zones (e.g. the massive array at Waterloo,
Surbiton, Earlsfield etc etc).

No, I meant 'outside' the London zonal area, where they are ITSO compatble,
but not Oyster compatible, and the 'Stagecoach Smart' card is in use.

Indeed - sorry, misread that bit.


AFAICT the ITSO/Oyster dual operation within the zones is still not ready..

No, doesn't appear to be.

On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 13:47:15 -0700, Andrew Cullen wrote:

Oyster was meant to
be updated to ITSO technology but it doesn't appear to be happening. I
believe its a similar situation at SWT.

They have changed something, last year when in London, I discovered the
LU readers were responding to my Singapore CEPAS card, where as the
Oyster readers on the buses were ignoring it.

In fact they were responding to the CEPAS card while it was still in my
pocket and I was holding the Oyster in my hand next to the gate reader.

Experiments with the ticket machines at Earls Court revealed the ticket
machine would respond to the Singapore CEPAS card at 30-40cm where as the
Oyster had to be with in 10cm. It's actually a surprise the security
people didn't come over and ask what I was doing :-)

(Every time the Singapore card got anywhere near an LU Oyster terminal
it would respond with 'multiple cards presented', even if the proper
Oyster card was kept well away)

At a guess the Oyster terminal was interacting with the card and
discovering it had multiple 'products' loaded, generating the multiple
card error before noticing that none of the products were usable by it
anyway. (The Singapore CEPAS cards are used to pay road tolls via
hardware installed in each car as well as transit fares, so I assume have
multiple 'products' loaded).

Matthew Geier wrote on 02
July 2010 23:30:58 ...
On Fri, 02 Jul 2010 13:47:15 -0700, Andrew Cullen wrote:

Oyster was meant to
be updated to ITSO technology but it doesn't appear to be happening. I
believe its a similar situation at SWT.

They have changed something, last year when in London, I discovered the
LU readers were responding to my Singapore CEPAS card, where as the
Oyster readers on the buses were ignoring it.

They made some changes a few months ago to enable the gates to accept
the new issue of Freedom Passes (free travel passes for elderly and
disabled Londoners). These now have both Oyster and ITSO technology on
the same card. Maybe you encountered an early version of the updated gates.
--
Richard J.
(to email me, swap 'uk' and 'yon' in address)