That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?
--
Roland Perry

On 06/09/10 21:49, Roland Perry wrote:
That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

Erm, but everything *was* running smoothly until the evening. No one
was on strike during the day...

-roy

In message , at 22:02:49 on Mon, 6
Sep 2010, Roy Badami remarked:
That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

Erm, but everything *was* running smoothly until the evening. No one
was on strike during the day...

This will be a ticket tomorrow.
--
Roland Perry

On 06/09/10 21:49, Roland Perry wrote:
And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

And as I post, close to end of service, the TfL website if it is to be
believed is still showing good service on the Jubilee, Northern and
Picadilly, and only minor delays on the Victoria (and a service
operating with minor delays on parts of the Bakerloo, too).

Are the unions maybe losing the support of a substantial proportion of
their members, too? Obviously not good for people who wanted to use the
lines this evening that are suspended or suffering severe delays, but
there is rather more running than I had expected would be the case.

I somehow got the impression that tube strikes in years gone by had been
rather more total than this -- or am I mistaken?

-roy

In message , Roy Badami
writes
And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

And as I post, close to end of service, the TfL website if it is to be
believed is still showing good service on the Jubilee, Northern and
Picadilly, and only minor delays on the Victoria (and a service
operating with minor delays on parts of the Bakerloo, too).

The Piccadilly at least ran a full service right up to the last
knockings. All the drivers had booked on for duty before the 2100
witching hour and thus continued to work to end of service.

A few stations were closed by 2300 though.

I can't speak for the other lines.
--
Steve Fitzgerald has now left the building.
You will find him in London's Docklands, E16, UK
(please use the reply to address for email)

"Roy Badami" wrote in message
...
On 06/09/10 21:49, Roland Perry wrote:
And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

And as I post, close to end of service, the TfL website if it is to be
believed is still showing good service on the Jubilee, Northern and
Picadilly, and only minor delays on the Victoria (and a service operating
with minor delays on parts of the Bakerloo, too).

I noticed that the Bakerloo went straight to 'suspended north of Queens
Park'. Is that a planned action, so that those staff who are around can run
the 'underground' services, leaving LO to pick up the north of QP pax?

As 'trainman' reported earlier, ASLEF aren't involved, and AIUI the balance
of RMT to ASLEF drivers varies considerably on different lines and at
different depots?

Paul S

On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:49:56 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

I noted this morning complete chaos at Paddington because Paddington
LUL was closed even though the Bakerloo Line was running.

Was there some sort of work to rule that prevented them redeploying
staff to stations that were actually useful rather than the more
obscure ones?

Were extra buses actually deployed in central London where they were
needed? In some places they were quiet, but in others they were full
before they got anywhere near central areas.

Neil
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

On 7 Sep, 23:32, Neil Williams wrote:
On Mon, 6 Sep 2010 21:49:56 +0100, Roland Perry
wrote:

That's the difference between the Super-off-peak fare to London which
would have gelled with a 1pm meeting (had everything been running
smoothly) and the Off-Peak fare needed for an earlier train to make sure
[fsvo] getting there on time. And the unions [maybe] wonder why they are
losing public support?

I noted this morning complete chaos at Paddington because Paddington
LUL was closed even though the Bakerloo Line was running.

Was there some sort of work to rule that prevented them redeploying
staff to stations that were actually useful rather than the more
obscure ones?

Were extra buses actually deployed in central London where they were
needed? *In some places they were quiet, but in others they were full
before they got anywhere near central areas.

The news reports have been stupidly dramatic. I can't believe the
idiots they dig out to talk garbage about "carnage" and so on. Why do
people have to be such drama monarchs about taking slightly longer to
get to work? So they can invoke a misplaced blitz spirit, resisting
the tyranny of transport workers who they ought to be supporting?

Most people have legs after all and just had to deploy them. The
roads were pretty jammed in central London, so not much point in
adding more buses to them or getting in any.

I wanted to get to Euston and walked from Charing Cross, which
required getting a train in from the south east thirteen minutes
earlier than I would have done if I was going to use LU. I was
early. Just shows how long one wastes on all those escalators and
stuff.

On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:42:57 -0700 (PDT), MIG
wrote:

I wanted to get to Euston and walked from Charing Cross, which
required getting a train in from the south east thirteen minutes
earlier than I would have done if I was going to use LU. I was
early. Just shows how long one wastes on all those escalators and
stuff.

Walking from Euston to Paddington cost me about half an hour, FWIW.
But "crowd situations", particularly when bad enough for the police to
get involved, can get dangerous, and that's what happened outside
Paddington.

What I don't get is why people queued for an hour and a half for boats
to Canary Wharf. The DLR was running, and even if it hadn't been I
bet it wouldn't have taken vastly longer than that to walk.

What
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

On 8 Sep, 06:57, Neil Williams wrote:
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:42:57 -0700 (PDT), MIG

wrote:
I wanted to get to Euston and walked from Charing Cross, which
required getting a train in from the south east thirteen minutes
earlier than I would have done if I was going to use LU. *I was
early. *Just shows how long one wastes on all those escalators and
stuff.

Walking from Euston to Paddington cost me about half an hour, FWIW.
But "crowd situations", particularly when bad enough for the police to
get involved, can get dangerous, and that's what happened outside
Paddington.

What I don't get is why people queued for an hour and a half for boats
to Canary Wharf. *The DLR was running, and even if it hadn't been I
bet it wouldn't have taken vastly longer than that to walk.

What
--
Neil Williams in Milton Keynes, UK
To reply put my first name before the at.

It was a pleasure to get the Victoria Line from Kings Cross to
Blackhorse Road yesterday afternoon, if only to stick the proverbial
two fingers up at Comrade Crow.

Tottenham Hale was closed due to the strike. However later on there
was an announcement of the travel news that it is now open, the bad
news being that the Victoria Line is suspended between Seven Sisters
and Walthamstow.