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In message
Mizter T wrote:


On Sep 8, 6:17*pm, allantracy wrote:
Hmm... swaying, wobble and Gordon Brown.

I think I see the problem.

Ho ho ho, your wit knows no beginnings. Got any more? I bet everyone
loves chatting to you down the pub.

Pubs would be far to proletarian.

--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/

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On 08/09/2010 18:57, allantracy wrote:

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".


It’s still an unfortunate fact that most of the recently imported
foreign technology has worked a darn sight better from day one than
anything home produced we have encountered before.

The days of newly delivered stock parked up for months on end, for one
problem or another, before finally entering service does seem to be a
thing of the past.

I seem to recall that the Derby built Class 357 was named Britain's most
reliable train at this year's Golden Spanners.

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On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do


I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

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Ho ho ho, your wit knows no beginnings. Got any more? I bet everyone
loves chatting to you down the pub.

Pubs would be far to proletarian.


I’ll have you know I once drank in a not for profit state owned bar,
one of the members’ bars in the House of Commons.

When I checked the price of my beer, boy had the state delivered.

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In message
, at
12:02:46 on Wed, 8 Sep 2010, Mizter T remarked:
taking spectators from St Pancras to the Olympics park in Stratford in
seven minutes.

To the Park. Really? Surely that's only going to get as far as the
station, near the park.

Yes, to the Park (Really) - Stratford International is bang on the
edge of the Olympic Park.

I must go down and scout it out when it's finished. Hopefully the
entrance to the park is near the station (like the Dome), not half a
mile round the corner?

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Dodgy points then. Do they have no "wobble" anywhere else?

Did you read the article?

Yes, including several bits of gibberish I quoted.
--
Roland Perry

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On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do



I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french
TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel)

i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure
exactly how much this is used

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In article
,
(CJB) wrote:

Olympic bullet train passengers terrified by 140mph _wobble_
Ross Lydall and Miranda Bryant
08.09.10


http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...ic-bullet-trai
ns-out-of-service-after-140mph-wobble.do

London's Olympic bullet trains have been modified after commuters
raised concerns over _frightening and alarming_ wobbles at 140mph.

The passengers _ who pay premium fares to use Britain's fastest
domestic service _ complain of _turbulence_ as the trains pass through
tunnels between St Pancras and Kent.

[snip]

Curious. The trains are timetabled at only 125MPH, with higher speeds only
used to catch up when running late.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

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In message
allantracy wrote:


Ho ho ho, your wit knows no beginnings. Got any more? I bet everyone
loves chatting to you down the pub.

Pubs would be far to proletarian.


I=92ll have you know I once drank in a not for profit state owned bar,
one of the members=92 bars in the House of Commons.


So have I, and I didn't have to pay for the beer either!


--
Graeme Wall

This address not read, substitute trains for rail
Transport Miscellany at www.greywall.demon.co.uk/rail
Photo galleries at http://graeme-wall.fotopic.net/

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On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do



I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french
TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel)

i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure
exactly how much this is used

Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has
some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements.

Does it have any waysides, by the way, such as at stations or at points?

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On 08/09/2010 20:48, allantracy wrote:

Ho ho ho, your wit knows no beginnings. Got any more? I bet everyone
loves chatting to you down the pub.

Pubs would be far to proletarian.


I’ll have you know I once drank in a not for profit state owned bar,
one of the members’ bars in the House of Commons.

When I checked the price of my beer, boy had the state delivered.

Figures I've seen quoted in recent "OMG MPs and their guests eat and
drink it's disgusting!!!!" newspaper articles suggested the prices are
more than in, say, a Trafalgar Square pub.

Isn't a reason for the "low" price to do with not paying rent for the
space? I suspect a lot of pubs could lower their prices if they got the
space free (a place I used to work used to go on about the "subsidised"
canteen, subsidised in that the contractors didn't pay rent. Nor did all
the empty floors in the block, of course)
--
Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK