On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do

I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


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Arthur Figgis Surrey, UK

On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do


I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do



I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french
TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel)

i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure
exactly how much this is used

On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do



I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french
TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel)

i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure
exactly how much this is used

Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has
some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements.

Does it have any waysides, by the way, such as at stations or at points?

On 08/09/10 22:13, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do




I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french
TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel)

i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure
exactly how much this is used

Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has
some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements.

Does it have any waysides, by the way, such as at stations or at points?

AFAIK just the normal TVM430 yellow and blue boards

On 08/09/2010 22:45, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 22:13, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do




I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french
TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel)

i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure
exactly how much this is used

Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has
some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements.

Does it have any waysides, by the way, such as at stations or at points?

AFAIK just the normal TVM430 yellow and blue boards

I've seen them, and they are shaped in an arrow. Is that where they pick
up hits?

Can you provide a link about TVM 430, so that I might read and learn
about it?

On 08/09/10 23:51, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 22:45, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 22:13, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote:
On 08/09/2010 19:17, Arthur Figgis wrote:
On 08/09/2010 18:48, David Hansen wrote:
On Wed, 8 Sep 2010 09:27:40 -0700 (PDT) someone who may be CJB
wrote this:-

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standa...0mph-wobble.do





I see that the campaign for the mass media to not call these trains
Javelins at the moment seems to have had an effect.

Rail operator Southeastern today admitted the trains were suffering
“sideways movement” — an embarrassment for Japanese manufacturer
Hitachi,

Which ISTR tells us that their trains will "work straight out of the
box".

What manufacturer is going to say otherwise? (maybe AnsaldoBreda!)

The problem is believed to be caused because the trains have
to switch between the high-speed line and conventional tracks at
Ashford and Ebbsfleet.

Trains have to switch between high-speed lines and "conventional
tracks" at quite a large number of places around the world. What is
it about Ashford and Ebbsfleet that makes them different?

Didn't a Turkish high speed train derail while moving to or from the
classic lines a few months ago?


How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines,
compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french
TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel)

i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure
exactly how much this is used

Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has
some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements.

Does it have any waysides, by the way, such as at stations or at points?

AFAIK just the normal TVM430 yellow and blue boards

I've seen them, and they are shaped in an arrow. Is that where they pick
up hits?

Can you provide a link about TVM 430, so that I might read and learn
about it?

sure, but googling it gives this as the top hit...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmission_Voie-Machine

also some info on Railsigns.co.uk

http://www.railsigns.co.uk/info/tvm1/tvm1.html

On Wed, 8 Sep 2010, wrote:

On 08/09/2010 21:31, Daniel Smith wrote:
On 08/09/10 20:16, wrote:

How does the signalling system differ on the high-speed lines, compared
with the classic lines? I think that the former does not have AWS.

It dosent have signals full stop.... its signaled on TVM430 (the french
TGV system, that is used in the channel tunnel)

i belive that ETRMS level 2 is also overlaied on this, but im not sure
exactly how much this is used

Even if it does not have wayside signals, I would imagine that it has
some sort of signalling system to regulate the Javelins' movements.

Tessa Sanderson standing at one end?

tom

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Just add a little flange and phase in