At page 7 of this document

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ok-2009-10.pdf

we find the following:

Passenger revenue was £1,594 million in 2009-10 Q4, a 6.2% increase
from 2008-09

Does this means the total revenue from all train tickets in the last
three months of the year?

If so, what does this mean - does it include London Underground,
Manchester Metro? Scotland?

If this can be confirmed, that will give me something to go on.

On 18 Oct, 19:04, thedarkman wrote:
At page 7 of this document

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ok-2009-10.pdf

we find the following:

Passenger revenue was £1,594 million in 2009-10 Q4, a 6.2% increase
from 2008-09

Does this means the total revenue from all train tickets in the last
three months of the year?

If so, what does this mean - does it include London Underground,
Manchester Metro? Scotland?

If this can be confirmed, that will give me something to go on.

Yes, it's not obvious, I agree.

Q4 of 2009-2010 is Jan-Feb-Mar 2010, because the Quarters are based on
financial, not calendar years.

I suggest that the revenue figure does include Scotland and also
London Overground, because LO is a curious hybrid whose concession is
granted and controlled by Transport for London but which is still
considered to be part of National Rail as well. Certainly the majority
of LO infrastructure is owned/maintained by Network Rail.

The figure does not include London Underground or Manchester
Metro(link) because neither are regulated by the ORR. Come to think of
it, I'm not quite clear myself about how much regulating the ORR does
of Overground, either.

The clue is probably in Section 8 of the same document. If an
operator's detailed statistics are quoted there, then the ORR is
including it in its totals and conclusions.

Mind you, the ORR is a trifle confused itself. It insists on referring
to the Scottish national operator as First Scotrail, when it is
actually branded ScotRail (without the prefix 'First').

By the way, stats for London Underground are difficult to find, except
as random references in TfL press releases. There should be a
statistical section in the TfL annual report, but the last time I
looked there wasn't.

"thedarkman" wrote in message
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At page 7 of this document

http://www.rail-reg.gov.uk/upload/pd...ok-2009-10.pdf

we find the following:

Passenger revenue was £1,594 million in 2009-10 Q4, a 6.2% increase
from 2008-09

Does this means the total revenue from all train tickets in the last
three months of the year?

If so, what does this mean - does it include London Underground,
Manchester Metro? Scotland?

If this can be confirmed, that will give me something to go on.


It seems to be National Rail, including Open Access operators and London
Overground, but excluding LUL and metro operators that are not part of
National Rail. The figure is indeed for the last 3 months, i.e. Jan - Mar
2010. The annual figure (April 2009 - March 2020 was GBP 6,179 million.

Peter

On 18 Oct, 19:25, Sim wrote:
Mind you, the ORR is a trifle confused itself. It insists on referring
to the Scottish national operator as First Scotrail, when it is
actually branded ScotRail (without the prefix 'First').

That may be the difference between legal name and operating name,
though (or may not be, I don't know!).

PhilD

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On 19 Oct, 08:53, PhilD wrote:
On 18 Oct, 19:25, Sim wrote:

Mind you, the ORR is a trifle confused itself. It insists on referring
to the Scottish national operator as First Scotrail, when it is
actually branded ScotRail (without the prefix 'First').

That may be the difference between legal name and operating name,
though (or may not be, I don't know!).

PhilD

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Still First ScotRail on a lot of official documents etc. it is
"branded" ScotRail but AFAIK the franchise name is still First
ScotRail and it has continued to be reported as that in industry
performance documents etc.

ORR is probably correct.

Tony