Can I stop to pick up a friend I spot along a double red line Red Route?

Ditto for a bus stop?
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Les Desser
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Les Desser wrote:
Can I stop to pick up a friend I spot along a double red line Red Route?

I was going to write "no", but it appears that the answer is,
unbelievably, "yes".

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/22.htm

Scroll down to para. 215. A "red route" is an urban clearway.

Ditto for a bus stop?

I don't believe so, unless you happen to be driving a bus.

Neil

Les Desser wrote:
Can I stop to pick up a friend I spot along a double red line Red
Route?

No. See http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/signs09.htm#along

Note that (re Neil's post) a Red Route is *not* the same as an Urban
Clearway, and has different signs.

Ditto for a bus stop?

I can't see anything in the Highway Code that says that's illegal
(assuming it's not on a Red Route). The advice in Rule 217 ("do not
stop ... at or near a bus stop") is not in itself mandatory, but if you
stopped at a bus stop and actually obstructed a bus, the fact that your
action violated rule 217 would count against you in any prosecution.

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Richard J.
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Richard J. wrote:

Note that (re Neil's post) a Red Route is *not* the same as an Urban
Clearway, and has different signs.

Thanks. I stand corrected.

Neil

In message , at
14:42:24 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Richard J.
remarked:
Ditto for a bus stop?

I can't see anything in the Highway Code that says that's illegal
(assuming it's not on a Red Route).

There's something called a Bus Clearway (4th bullet below) which is
fiercer than an Urban Clearway (imagine invisible Red Route lines in
every bus stop).

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/22.htm
Scroll down to para. 215.

--
Roland Perry

Some bus stops - probably almost all those on main roads - are "Bus
Stop Clearways" where all stopping is banned as on a Red Route, even
where the road it's on is not otherwise a Red Route. The "Bus stop
clearway" runs for the length of the bus stop, marked on the road with
a thick yellow line and the rules reinforced by a timeplate.

Keith Raeburn wrote:
Some bus stops - probably almost all those on main roads - are "Bus
Stop Clearways" where all stopping is banned as on a Red Route, even
where the road it's on is not otherwise a Red Route. The "Bus stop
clearway" runs for the length of the bus stop, marked on the road
with a thick yellow line and the rules reinforced by a timeplate.

As I understand it, it's not a Bus Stop Clearway unless both the thick
yellow line and the timeplate are present, which at least makes it clear
to the driver that he mustn't stop there, though he may have to stop in
order to read the plate! The Highway Code is not very good on this, as
it mentions Bus Stop Clearways without saying how you recognise one
compared with an ordinary bus stop.
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Richard J.
(to e-mail me, swap uk and yon in address)

Richard J. wrote:

As I understand it, it's not a Bus Stop Clearway unless both the thick
yellow line and the timeplate are present, which at least makes it clear
to the driver that he mustn't stop there, though he may have to stop in
order to read the plate! The Highway Code is not very good on this, as
it mentions Bus Stop Clearways without saying how you recognise one
compared with an ordinary bus stop.

The ones in central Milton Keynes have a "Clearway No Stopping" and
X-in-circle shown on them. Most of the others don't, which suggests
they are actually shared-use laybys. It doesn't seem clear, though.

Nonetheless, it's helpful not to block a bus stop for any length of
time.

Neil

In message .com, at
10:39:25 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Keith Raeburn
remarked:
Some bus stops - probably almost all those on main roads - are "Bus
Stop Clearways" where all stopping is banned as on a Red Route, even
where the road it's on is not otherwise a Red Route. The "Bus stop
clearway" runs for the length of the bus stop,

Yes.

marked on the road with a thick yellow line

Although in some places the thick yellow line is invisible, because it's
within a Historic area. There's a much-discussed bus stop [clearway] in
the centre of Cambridge that meets this description.

and the rules reinforced by a timeplate.

Yes.
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Roland Perry

In message .com, at
17:27:16 on Mon, 5 Jun 2006, Neil Williams
remarked:
The ones in central Milton Keynes have a "Clearway No Stopping" and
X-in-circle shown on them. Most of the others don't, which suggests
they are actually shared-use laybys. It doesn't seem clear, though.

The "Bus Clearway Zone" will only cover the centre of the town. What's
missing, perhaps, are signs saying "you are entering a bus clearway
zone", rather than just the signs at the bus stops and [sometimes] the
thick yellow line.

Nonetheless, it's helpful not to block a bus stop for any length of
time.

Indeed. And many are "No Waiting", outside of Clearway Zones.

--
Roland Perry